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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5271516" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, there perhaps are some monsters who's names are SO iconic that it doesn't make much sense to create a new version under a variation of the name. I would consider the chromatic dragons to be the main ones that fall into that category, and possibly some of the unique capstone solos like Orcus. I guess one answer is that dragons actually work pretty well for the most part, even the MM1 ones. Draconomicon and other resources give you a LOT of room to customize them as well. I look at it like this: A low level dragon works pretty well OOTB; A higher level dragon SHOULD be customized anyway. Most adult dragons are pretty good as-is and you might use them OOTB but they're the ones that probably could use a refresh the most. The Ancient and Elder dragons you'd be wasting time using without customization no matter what, they're just too plot significant.Stuff like Dracoliches and Purple Worms I think can be safely given versions with slightly different names, a &quot;Purple Worm Devourer&quot; or whatnot will be fine. I think giants fall into the same category, they already have a couple varieties in the MM and in fact MM2/3 have already added new variations.As for things like Orcus, well, perhaps there will be some specific books that reimagine some of these types eventually. Orcus has already gotten one face lift in his module appearance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5271516, member: 82106"] Well, there perhaps are some monsters who's names are SO iconic that it doesn't make much sense to create a new version under a variation of the name. I would consider the chromatic dragons to be the main ones that fall into that category, and possibly some of the unique capstone solos like Orcus. I guess one answer is that dragons actually work pretty well for the most part, even the MM1 ones. Draconomicon and other resources give you a LOT of room to customize them as well. I look at it like this: A low level dragon works pretty well OOTB; A higher level dragon SHOULD be customized anyway. Most adult dragons are pretty good as-is and you might use them OOTB but they're the ones that probably could use a refresh the most. The Ancient and Elder dragons you'd be wasting time using without customization no matter what, they're just too plot significant. Stuff like Dracoliches and Purple Worms I think can be safely given versions with slightly different names, a "Purple Worm Devourer" or whatnot will be fine. I think giants fall into the same category, they already have a couple varieties in the MM and in fact MM2/3 have already added new variations. As for things like Orcus, well, perhaps there will be some specific books that reimagine some of these types eventually. Orcus has already gotten one face lift in his module appearance. [/QUOTE]

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