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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5646537" data-attributes="member: 87792">Oh for crying out loud.  Between the PHB, PHB2, Assassin, Artificer, and Swordmage there were 19 classes on the old structure.  With about four different class types each before you even start selecting powers.  They weren't just designing to AEDU, they were strip mining the design space as is obvious when we look at the PHB 3. There are attempts at six new classes in there.  One (the Monk) is outstanding - and isn't classic AEDU.  Three are not AEDU at all and are very simply broken - the Power Point mechanism does not work.  And of the two remaining, one (the Seeker) is a solution in search of a problem and the other (the Runepriest) is simply fiddly and annoying without really adding much to the game. A dead 4e would be one that stopped growing.  One that stuck with the AEDU concept having done just about all it could with it.  And the new classes it put out would be of the quality of the Seeker or the Runepriest.  Instead what we have got is the game growing.  Producing classes that the less tactically and mathematically adept can play (e.g. the Knight, the Slayer, or the Thief) - one of my players has recently switched from a Wizard to a Hunter and is enjoying the game so much more now.  4e has grown into design spaces it couldn't previously reach. If you want a new AEDU class, pitch the class.  And say why it can't be done as a build of an existing class.  Don't point out that they have stopped strip mining the design space.  They haven't stopped adding support - and Warpriest Domains add support to clerics in the way builds always should have - a selection of thematic powers with their less than optimal level offset by bonusses thrown in for locking in your build.  And don't tell me it's dead when it's larger, stronger, and more versatile than ever.  The Bladesinger's two rounds of mayhem as he's singing would be a squash to fit into an AEDU class.  But work once the power structure's tweaked.  (At least they work until Paragon when the Bladesinger gets to combine a Wizard Encounter with Bladesong...).</blockquote>

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