Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Gencon: Any non-Essentials content coming up?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Marshall" data-source="post: 5653970" data-attributes="member: 765"><p>Yes, choosing not to choose is a choice. And that choice includes ALL your available options which are more numerous and significantly more complex than a 4e class.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, you do realize that its the 4e classes that actually have a filing system while the e-classes throw everything into one pot? 4e already had the AEDU silos that broke everything down into manageable bits.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>??? Why would you make that assumption?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Humbug,</p><p>All you are doing there is parsing the decision making process differently.</p><p>1. Choose a target(4 options)</p><p>2. Choose a power(5 options)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, but now you are actually into the complex encounter powers that 'simple' players arent going to select.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My mistake, I misremembered the number of Thiefs Tricks. Its only 2.5 times the number of at-wills that a Rogue has to play with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're not throwing in any decision point here. The e-class has to make the same decision, just with different and more complex choices.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really, no. Both types of wibble-wonky are distracting, time-consuming and unproductive. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I'm saying the poor player who thinks he has a simple class is going to be out of his depth the first time he is reduced to 0hp and has to decide between standing and activating a stance or an aura or attacking or...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So is a Swordmage, didnt stop the new "Everything is a Wizard" design paradigm from taking over the Bladesinger.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Please, NO. The poor Sorc already has enough of his design space stolen by the Wizard and no real support outside a couple Dragon articles for the Chaos Mage. Making the Sorc an Abyssal Pact warlock is almost as bad an idea as an article on weapon powers for him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 5653970, member: 765"] Yes, choosing not to choose is a choice. And that choice includes ALL your available options which are more numerous and significantly more complex than a 4e class. Uh, you do realize that its the 4e classes that actually have a filing system while the e-classes throw everything into one pot? 4e already had the AEDU silos that broke everything down into manageable bits. ??? Why would you make that assumption? Humbug, All you are doing there is parsing the decision making process differently. 1. Choose a target(4 options) 2. Choose a power(5 options) Sure, but now you are actually into the complex encounter powers that 'simple' players arent going to select. My mistake, I misremembered the number of Thiefs Tricks. Its only 2.5 times the number of at-wills that a Rogue has to play with. You're not throwing in any decision point here. The e-class has to make the same decision, just with different and more complex choices. Not really, no. Both types of wibble-wonky are distracting, time-consuming and unproductive. No, I'm saying the poor player who thinks he has a simple class is going to be out of his depth the first time he is reduced to 0hp and has to decide between standing and activating a stance or an aura or attacking or... So is a Swordmage, didnt stop the new "Everything is a Wizard" design paradigm from taking over the Bladesinger. Please, NO. The poor Sorc already has enough of his design space stolen by the Wizard and no real support outside a couple Dragon articles for the Chaos Mage. Making the Sorc an Abyssal Pact warlock is almost as bad an idea as an article on weapon powers for him. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Gencon: Any non-Essentials content coming up?
Top