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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Marshall" data-source="post: 5659042" data-attributes="member: 765">(Boring), note the parentheses was an opinion, ineffective was the analysis.No, Slayers trade off the Defender role abilities for a Striker bonus damage feature. That, at least, is the standard trade off between roles. They trade their dailies and any chance at a real Nova without MC/Hybrid shenanigans for a minor increase in defenses over a Barb. Yes, I also know when you are making a poor trade. In this case, you're making a very poor trade.Yeah, "Only miss on a one." It annoys the crap outta my DMs when they see me roll a two and I say AC21 at 5th level.  Why are you even trying to get your Thief in melee range? Halfling Shortbow Hunter, Drow Ruthless Hunter = "Hi guys!, I'll just stand wayyy over here and barrage them to death!" thats before RM for snap shot and other tricks to add in multi-attacks.</blockquote>Unless, of course, they are somehow "optimized", right? It's amazing how "optimization" can flip a class from "the bottom" to "broken" with, apparently, no middle ground.[/quote]Yes, they are ridiculously easy to optimize since they broke the standard power assumptions from 4e. MBA's were set up to be little used, off action attacks that you only made when you couldnt do anything better and were supported as such. E-martials, and Arcanes now, broke that mold and enhanced the MBA to encounter+ level equivalents with absolutely no brakes in the system to prevent a PC from piling on e-enhancements and 4e enhancements. The worst part is, they keep compounding this mistake. Now we get MME which takes an MBA enhancer(PA) that already hits encounter+ level equivalents with WS and throws even more benefits on top.Just for clarification, so have I.Woefully underpowered. The powers give up very useful effects on a hit for minor situational bonuses as an effect most of the time. Drastically lowered top end usefulness for a supposedly raised floor. Yes, there are a few good powers in the Warpriest list. You just hope you get one good one for every POS you get stuck with. Your Channel Divinity options are crappola in most cases, WotC seems to have forgotten all the decent ones they had released and done a major backtrack on the power levels.As for your wonderful Class Features? Ever heard of Ritual Caster? You know its great that a Warpriest can Raise Dead his allies for free...of course a Cleric is just better at preventing them from dying in the first place.[/QUOTE]

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