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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5660672" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>:sigh: If a class without dailies is balanced against a class with a daily over a 4-5 encounter day, because his at-will powers are superior. Then that little bit better performance that each use of each of those at wills gives over those 4-5 encounters must somehow 'add up,' to the higher power of that one use of a daily. And, if that's the case, then the same at-wills, used a few times over the course of a single encounter in a day, can't possibly equal the higher power of that one daily used in that one encounter in a single day.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How so? 4e supports the breadth of play styles that are possible in a game with robust class balance. 3.5 supported the specific play styles that are only possible in the virtual absence of class balance.</p><p></p><p>No game is ever going to support both sets of styles, because you're never going to support players who want to be part of a team were everyone makes comparable, if distinct, contributions and no one is overshadowed or overpowered /and/ players who want an uber-character who overshadows other characters, or a gimped-for-RP-purposes basket case that delivers the oodles of angst they crave. Some people just want very different things from a game experience, things that are not compatible with what others may want, and thus should play different games.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5660672, member: 996"] :sigh: If a class without dailies is balanced against a class with a daily over a 4-5 encounter day, because his at-will powers are superior. Then that little bit better performance that each use of each of those at wills gives over those 4-5 encounters must somehow 'add up,' to the higher power of that one use of a daily. And, if that's the case, then the same at-wills, used a few times over the course of a single encounter in a day, can't possibly equal the higher power of that one daily used in that one encounter in a single day. How so? 4e supports the breadth of play styles that are possible in a game with robust class balance. 3.5 supported the specific play styles that are only possible in the virtual absence of class balance. No game is ever going to support both sets of styles, because you're never going to support players who want to be part of a team were everyone makes comparable, if distinct, contributions and no one is overshadowed or overpowered /and/ players who want an uber-character who overshadows other characters, or a gimped-for-RP-purposes basket case that delivers the oodles of angst they crave. Some people just want very different things from a game experience, things that are not compatible with what others may want, and thus should play different games. [/QUOTE]
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