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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 1927689" data-attributes="member: 6533"><p>Not necessarily a comment on the point, overall, but the above point is simply not the case. You don't use whatever amount of tough love it takes precisely because application of that love is likely to prevent you from getting into heaven.</p><p></p><p>The Albigensian crusade might be looked at as proof pf the opposite point, but the problem there is that was both A.) more or less a catastrophe that ran out of everyone's control and B.) the result of 100 years of peaceful attempts at integration that simply did not work too well on either the level of peaceful or integrated. </p><p></p><p>For the medievals the idea of wiping anyone out or compelling religious conversion does show up in the popular, and in some of the elite, imagination but only from time to time and it is generally regarded with a great deal of horror both at the time and after the fact. Bishops and clergymen opposed every practical instance of ethnic massacre I can think of aside from the above instance. Even in the Renaissance case of the Spanish inquisition the initial action is one of exile and commentators of the time ranging in prestige and moral weight from the Pope to Nicollo Machiavelli weigh in against it.</p><p></p><p>Exile was certainly the preferable and only common means of 'ethnic-cleansing' and there were several kingdoms that integrated a variety of religions rather succesfully, including, many would argue, the Crusader states though Norman Sicilly is probably a better example.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: on an on-topic point I would go with a +2 to Constitution for women if men get a +2 to strength. They live longer, are more resistant to a variety of nasty diseases, and you could make an argument for female characters generally seeming to have a higher saving throw in that regard at least in terms of the number of poison maidens versus poison men. Wisdom might work in the sense that women have better senses but seems to me to be otherwise problematic in the sense that it's not generally considered a physical stat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Strangemonkey, post: 1927689, member: 6533"] Not necessarily a comment on the point, overall, but the above point is simply not the case. You don't use whatever amount of tough love it takes precisely because application of that love is likely to prevent you from getting into heaven. The Albigensian crusade might be looked at as proof pf the opposite point, but the problem there is that was both A.) more or less a catastrophe that ran out of everyone's control and B.) the result of 100 years of peaceful attempts at integration that simply did not work too well on either the level of peaceful or integrated. For the medievals the idea of wiping anyone out or compelling religious conversion does show up in the popular, and in some of the elite, imagination but only from time to time and it is generally regarded with a great deal of horror both at the time and after the fact. Bishops and clergymen opposed every practical instance of ethnic massacre I can think of aside from the above instance. Even in the Renaissance case of the Spanish inquisition the initial action is one of exile and commentators of the time ranging in prestige and moral weight from the Pope to Nicollo Machiavelli weigh in against it. Exile was certainly the preferable and only common means of 'ethnic-cleansing' and there were several kingdoms that integrated a variety of religions rather succesfully, including, many would argue, the Crusader states though Norman Sicilly is probably a better example. EDIT: on an on-topic point I would go with a +2 to Constitution for women if men get a +2 to strength. They live longer, are more resistant to a variety of nasty diseases, and you could make an argument for female characters generally seeming to have a higher saving throw in that regard at least in terms of the number of poison maidens versus poison men. Wisdom might work in the sense that women have better senses but seems to me to be otherwise problematic in the sense that it's not generally considered a physical stat. [/QUOTE]
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