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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gryph" data-source="post: 5551486" data-attributes="member: 98071">I've misfired myself often enough <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.  See, I misfired right here.  Ok, that explains it. I think you and I are talking about an only partially overlapping area of the meta-game. Where you see "I want the best score possible", I am remembering gamer friends saying "Why can't I be as strong as the guys". I have never had an answer to that I was comfortable giving to my friend Natty. She can totally kick my ass.   I'm not sure I want to try and put a good/bad value judgement on gender mechanics. I also, in the context of a fantasy game or superheroic game or superheroic fantasy game, don't want to say to my daughter "your fighter can't be as strong as your brother's fighter cause she's a girl. The world is a hard place, suck it up." I don't want to tell that to my friends, either. And since they have been removed from most games released in the last decade I don't think commercial game publishers want to tell that to over half of the potential purchasing public. And whether you believe that they are "realistic" or not; is the added sense of realism contributing more to a game then the limiting options is removing in terms of player and gm enjoyment?  The answer to that is clearly a personal one for everyone. I think I've been clear in this thread that my answers are subjective and thereby purely opinion. Where I have expressed disapproval for gender mechanics it has been in an attempt to illustrate a viewpoint that has been expressed to me by several female gamers.  I game mostly with a group of middle-aged, married couples and some of our kids. We've known and gamed with each other for over 20 years. In our group, a scenario where the gods made men and women substantially different would play like an attempt to codify in game the worst of historical patriarchal gender roles. I'm not sure I would escape the game session alive if I proposed them.</blockquote>

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