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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 5556131" data-attributes="member: 15538">I'm glad you don't feel oppressed.No, I don't back away from that claim. I don't quite understand why you're having so much trouble understanding what I'm trying to say, but I'm trying to be patient.No. Stop. Strawman. I said everyone agrees men are stronger. It is my assertion that it's difficult to justify an entire point of difference, much less more than that. That is what is being debated.Do you have anything other than lifting figures, and feats that in D&D are not based on Strength, to go by? +1 to Strength means +1 to everything. That's a pretty steep claim. If you say +2, you're saying women are to men as the average male human is to Bilbo Baggins. I do care about discussing gender differences in general. I don't care to hear you continue to beat the dead unicorn. No one has claimed there is no difference. If you want to claim there is a large difference, you have to present some kind of credible evidence. And power lifting figures alone are simply not sufficient.Carrying capacity in D&D is normalized for weight. Eg. Ogres and halflings. Further, power lifters are not necessarily good at swinging swords. That is a different activity. Very high numbers in hyperspecialized tasks alone is not going to cut it.I don't really think so. I think you are reading a personal attack on your attitudes where there is none. There is simply disagreement that gender differences are + worthy in most statistics in most RPGs. The fact that some people insist that they are is indicative that their prejudices may be coloring their abiliity to look at the facts, but that does not mean you personally are being called out, or if you are, that you are a sexist.I was responding to your comment that you felt stifled in expressing your opinions. Perhaps I misunderstood and you can clarify. You are the one who asked for social cover from criticism; this discussion is well within my comfort zone in scope. However, I have little patience for people who argue from behind a duck blind."I'm not allowed to express my opinions, which I am expressing now," is dirty pool. "People who believe in male superiority are oppressed," is just privileged garbage. Men do suffer from some discrimination, but the idea that men are the disadvantaged class in this discussion is lunacy.I'll be honest, the first thing I thought when I read this paragraph was, "What is the thing I can say that will most likely guarantee he will actually not bother discussing it further?"</blockquote>

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