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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5556366" data-attributes="member: 6668292">I can see an argument for role playing or immersion. If something pulls you away from immersion, it lessens the enjoyment for some people.The problem really becomes, then, that if you allow a 5'1" 110 lb. woman to have a Strength of 18, versus a 5'10" 180 lb. man with a Strength of 14. The woman is far superior to the male in terms of Strength, and her size means nothing in that. To some, that would hurt their ability to feel immersed, and thus role play well. However, if you impose some sort of penalty, woman (or men) may very well feel drawn out of the game, and not feel like they can be immersed.It just depends. If you really want to look at what good can come from it, I think it's best to weigh all the pros and cons (and assign them appropriate values) and see what comes out on top for the type of game you're trying to make.That is currently the ongoing discussion. I'm not heavily invested in any debate, though, just understanding views in the thread.I guess I don't feel threatened or belittled when people do this. I usually just find it humorous or I find them irritating. But, I'm not prone to tolerate posturing very well internally. I almost always challenge people that I think are posturing. Huge personal character flaw of mine. Best way to get me to do something? Tell me I suck at something, that I can't do it, etc. Seriously, this is a huge flaw in my personality.I think that makes it harder for me to grasp related issues. That is regretful, because I like understanding other views <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm    :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />To flaunt, usually. To show your superiority over someone else in that area. Now, I don't usually find the display threatening, unless someone is literally trying to threaten me physically. Mentally, I shrug that person off. Like I said, I guess it's hard for me to connect to opposing mindsets on this matter, which is actually really starting to bug me. It seems like the point should have clicked for me by now, and it hasn't. Thanks for your patience.I guess why I brought it up at all was that you seemed to imply (I'm guessing I'm wrong here, though) that even this discussion would make women feel violently threatened in the abstract. This seemed off, to me, as this conversation has not seemed to be "we're men, we're bigger and better than females, ha ha" so far. Well, since girls rarely whistle or shout to me based on my looks (if they do, it's because of the long hair, I'm guessing), I can only compare it to that. I take it as a compliment. I guess I wouldn't feel physically threatened unless they somehow imposed their physical superiority on me.If Brock Lesnar kept moving in my path, not letting me by, while trying to stroke my hair... yeah, I'd feel nervous and threatened. If he wanted to talk to me about how he was stronger than I was? I'd say I could do that pretty reasonably without feeling threatened.I'm trying to be reasonable, but I can't really take this too seriously. I know that's not much to go on, but I don't see this part of the conversation going anywhere, and I like the feedback so far, and don't want to mess up a good thing.True enough. I'll try to stay on your terms as much as possible. If I sway off those terms, or misrepresent them, forgive me. Just correct me.Okay, so I was on the right track.That would be incredibly uncomfortable. I think it can be done reasonably and logically though, without feeling personally oppressed mentally or attacked. I can see how it'd be a very personal issue, though. Interesting comparison.That's a starting place, I guess. As far as emotional awareness goes, I'm pretty keen. I have very good and close relationships with a few women. To be able to role play one accurately, however... beyond my hope, I think. It's why I'm kind of stingy on the female NPCs in my game. I really dislike misrepresenting any being, whether they're elves, dragons, or women.Who knows, maybe this discussion will shed some insight on how I can improve those NPC interactions. I'm not too worried about interactions with the women I know in real life, since we're on very good terms, but any insight helps when it comes to empathizing (which is something I think a lot more people should try to do).Thanks for the discussion thus far.Oh, no worries on knocking my opinion. I can definitely handle disagreement, especially in areas I'm nowhere near an expert in. Thanks for your insight on this.I think empathy is extremely good for a person to pursue, but sympathy is a good start, too. I am trying to understand your side to this discussion.Well, I think it is a discussion (not argument) worth having, if those involved wanted to use it as a tool. I think it'd be very interesting to have a game with, say, two female players and two male players, where the females picked "realistic" adjustments for one sex, and the males did for the other. I think it'd say a lot in terms of perception of either your own sex or the other sex. Also, trying to make a character and role play that character under those restrictions would be interesting, too.But, I agree, it's all preference. Don't play it (or try it) if you don't want to. I mean, I'll almost certainly never try the experiment above, but I think a healthy discussion on the topic can be enlightening. Just like role playing games can be. I think it shows us bits of pieces of our mind, or of the world in general, that we wouldn't think of without the game. And that's pretty invaluable.As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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