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<blockquote data-quote="Nightson" data-source="post: 5557547" data-attributes="member: 61515"><p>Christ, I am not calling you sexist. </p><p></p><p>Saying sexism is only the belief that one sex is superior is just a poor definition. Enforcing gender roles is sexist too. Which is not what you're doing when you talk about an existing strength gap between genders. </p><p></p><p>But if someone (nobody in this thread) talks about how women should stay in the kitchen and raise kids and definitely not work or drive, even if they profess that they don't hold males to be superior, just fulfilling separate roles, nobody in this thread would not call them sexist. </p><p></p><p>I am talking about this only to say the definition you provide is insufficient, for this conversation, people use sexism to describe sex based discrimination all the time.</p><p></p><p>We as a species, sexually select for larger, more muscular men and and smaller and less muscular women. This is a cultural meme that is sexist. It's been in place a long time, and is still in place now. The tall, muscular guy who can benchpress 400 pounds, that's not going to stop him from getting dates, it's a plus. The tall, muscular women who can benchpress 400 pounds is not in the same situation, she's going to have a much harder time getting dates. </p><p></p><p>Further we live in a culture where athleticism is a male trait. Females are discouraged from it, by peers, by parents, by culture. You lose girls every step of the way.</p><p></p><p>It's not sexist at all to say the differences exist. It's also not sexist to claim the difference is entirely genetic and inherent. I think it's wrong but it's not sexist.</p><p></p><p>The point I made in my post is that if you jettison the sexism in our society. Remove the gender roles and the discouragement, remove the sexual selection for larger males and smaller females, and you're going to find that if there's a difference it's going to be much, much smaller then the already not that large difference.</p><p></p><p>So if you have a strength penalty or a strength cap of women in your D&D world for realism purposes, then you should make sure the world also has a history of sexism towards women in that it enforced the gender roles that helped lead to it.</p><p></p><p>And if you don't have a penalty or cap, then just jettison the cultural baggage of sexism and you'll be just as realistic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nightson, post: 5557547, member: 61515"] Christ, I am not calling you sexist. Saying sexism is only the belief that one sex is superior is just a poor definition. Enforcing gender roles is sexist too. Which is not what you're doing when you talk about an existing strength gap between genders. But if someone (nobody in this thread) talks about how women should stay in the kitchen and raise kids and definitely not work or drive, even if they profess that they don't hold males to be superior, just fulfilling separate roles, nobody in this thread would not call them sexist. I am talking about this only to say the definition you provide is insufficient, for this conversation, people use sexism to describe sex based discrimination all the time. We as a species, sexually select for larger, more muscular men and and smaller and less muscular women. This is a cultural meme that is sexist. It's been in place a long time, and is still in place now. The tall, muscular guy who can benchpress 400 pounds, that's not going to stop him from getting dates, it's a plus. The tall, muscular women who can benchpress 400 pounds is not in the same situation, she's going to have a much harder time getting dates. Further we live in a culture where athleticism is a male trait. Females are discouraged from it, by peers, by parents, by culture. You lose girls every step of the way. It's not sexist at all to say the differences exist. It's also not sexist to claim the difference is entirely genetic and inherent. I think it's wrong but it's not sexist. The point I made in my post is that if you jettison the sexism in our society. Remove the gender roles and the discouragement, remove the sexual selection for larger males and smaller females, and you're going to find that if there's a difference it's going to be much, much smaller then the already not that large difference. So if you have a strength penalty or a strength cap of women in your D&D world for realism purposes, then you should make sure the world also has a history of sexism towards women in that it enforced the gender roles that helped lead to it. And if you don't have a penalty or cap, then just jettison the cultural baggage of sexism and you'll be just as realistic. [/QUOTE]
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