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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5561388" data-attributes="member: 4937">Sure.&nbsp; I don't deny that, nor are you informing me of anything I don't know.&nbsp; I'm just pointing out that a 88lb chimpanzee is roughly as strong as 250 lb NFL linebacker.&nbsp; And a large chimpanzee with weight equivalent to human norms is stronger than the strongest possible human.&nbsp; Therefore, it's not unreasonable to conclude that a simian weighing 60lb or even 40lb could have nearly human strength depending on whether its build was more like a chimpanzee than a human.&nbsp; Obviously, with a human build, a 40lb humanoid is going to have much more than than a -2 STR penalty.&nbsp; Ergo, it must be the case that the Halfling, if we accept the -2 STR penalty as realistic, has a build more similar to a chimpanzee than a human.Seriously, Hussar, I know you are intelligent enough to understand that line of reasoning.&nbsp; Why in the world are you making such a spurious objection as to point out that chimpanzees weigh more than 60lb?Exactly what part of my point isn't backed up by facts or is unrealistic?&nbsp; Are you suggesting that there aren't 60lb animals with strength roughly equivalent to human norms?&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you suggesting that regardless of the body build, any 60lb animal is going to have the same physical characteristics?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5561388, member: 4937"] Sure. I don't deny that, nor are you informing me of anything I don't know. I'm just pointing out that a 88lb chimpanzee is roughly as strong as 250 lb NFL linebacker. And a large chimpanzee with weight equivalent to human norms is stronger than the strongest possible human. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to conclude that a simian weighing 60lb or even 40lb could have nearly human strength depending on whether its build was more like a chimpanzee than a human. Obviously, with a human build, a 40lb humanoid is going to have much more than than a -2 STR penalty. Ergo, it must be the case that the Halfling, if we accept the -2 STR penalty as realistic, has a build more similar to a chimpanzee than a human. Seriously, Hussar, I know you are intelligent enough to understand that line of reasoning. Why in the world are you making such a spurious objection as to point out that chimpanzees weigh more than 60lb? Exactly what part of my point isn't backed up by facts or is unrealistic? Are you suggesting that there aren't 60lb animals with strength roughly equivalent to human norms? Are you suggesting that regardless of the body build, any 60lb animal is going to have the same physical characteristics? [/QUOTE]

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