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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 5562143" data-attributes="member: 15538">I was commenting on the general case. Are you saying the only thing on the table is a bonus to Climb and Swim for males and an Endurance-like bonus for females? Are these the options being considered?1) Males get Athletic, females get Endurance2) Males get Athletic, females get Endurance, and someone who takes the feat gets an additional 1/2 the bonus3) Males get +1 to Climb and Swim, females get +2 to Endurance-type checks?I guess I would wonder what you are going for. Women are not notably better at resisting cold temperatures, nor at digging ditches. Those aren't really archetypally feminine activities in fiction, either. Women's stamina tends to come into play more when you are talking about high caloric, sustained activities, like childbirth, death marches, or factory piecework. I suppose you might comment that you ar not interested in looking at realistic differences, in which case I ask again why any differences at all would be implemented.What is the reason for implementing sex-linked differences? If you simply want to double the number of playable "races," you could pick anything you want, and a flat bonus, a la #3, is the simplest and most balanced method. If you want to emphasize differences between genders as expressed by fictional media, I guess my questions would be:1) what gender norms are you using for your baseline reality?2) do you feel athletics versus stamina adequately summarizes the difference you are trying to emulate?3) do you think the results are fair and balanced?As far as fair and balanced go, I think a climb or swim check comes up fairly option, at least until mid-levels, whereas endurance checks come up maybe every four or five sessions, and the consequences are pretty easy to mitigate (lesser restoration and cure light wounds in 3e, for instance). If women get the full benefits of the Endurance feat, in addition to the +4 bonus, I think it's fairly balanced, at least on the surface of it. If you are talking about the bonus only, though, I'd say that's about half the benefits of the feat.+2 to endurance-type checks and +1 to (some_skill) would be relatively balanced against +1 to Climb and Swim. Tumble is not a bad choice, as you have some reason to cite realism, and the same characters tend to wish they had both Climb and Tumble. It's also a good idea, IMO, to balance physical and physical, and mental and mental, lest you get into stereotypes of men being the more physical characters and women being "alluring" and/or witchy.</blockquote>

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