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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jackinthegreen" data-source="post: 6165774" data-attributes="member: 6678119">Gish no longer refers to the specific races and instead means it can do both magic and smashing pretty well.  And in 3.X's case, the gith races are usually a bad idea for casters (and gishes who rely even indirectly on spellcasting) due to the LA unless it can be bought off, and even then playing them is best done at a level where LA isn't a problem anymore.Grunker, what kind of power level would you like for this character?  There are a lot of gish builds possible, with and without ToB.  What books are available to you?  Could you perhaps go with a divine gish and use the Ordained Champion PrC from Complete Champion instead which can channel spells?If you want some higher-op recommendations for this build, you might want to try the <a href="http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?board=24.0" target="_blank">MinMax</a> board instead, but do specify what your goals are and what kind of power level you'd like from it because the posters can and will take it to levels your DM probably won't allow if you don't put in specifics.</blockquote>