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Message: <blockquote data-quote="chuckdee" data-source="post: 9602826" data-attributes="member: 6804357"><p>I didn't agree with the mess part - just that it was messy like what they were trying to do. This conveys the idea of a ragtag group that shouldn't succeed pulling it out in the end better than in A New Hope, IMO. The Darth Vader scene was truly a horror movie in a capsule, especially when you realize that the door wasn't stuck- Vader was holding it closed while he slaughtered the rebels. And I will say it's the only film that out-bleaks The Empire Strikes back, and is my favorite Star Wars movie outside of that one because it takes promise of hope, turn that on its head with a horrific ending, but still even in that low point bring forward a message that hope is eternal in spite of circumstances.</p></blockquote><p></p>