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<blockquote data-quote="FreeTheSlaves" data-source="post: 2181719" data-attributes="member: 9952">To a certain extent I agree with your sentiments, there are definitely some who'd choose the default 4d6 method over elite array because they'd skew the 4d6 to produce upper results. I don't have any issues with mighty characters (we've played with 50pt buy equivalent in the past) but rather the non-structual manipulation that may occur.Let me explain what I mean by non-structural, I'm talking about all the tricks that a player may use to wheedle out of legitimate results that they don't like and try to get the unfair (on the other players) rerolls. E.g suicides, whining.The thing is that this may occur even with generous dice pools and the such because the player will look at the 'average' result under a generous system and manipulate things if they get something in the lower half. All that has happened is the goal posts have shifted but the (imo dysfunctional) player's expectations have shifted just as much.After all of this semi-rant I come to the question I ask my players that pick up the dice instead of using the alternate point buy, &quot;can you handle a poor result?&quot; They all said yes but I now know one actually meant to say &quot;no&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FreeTheSlaves, post: 2181719, member: 9952"] To a certain extent I agree with your sentiments, there are definitely some who'd choose the default 4d6 method over elite array because they'd skew the 4d6 to produce upper results. I don't have any issues with mighty characters (we've played with 50pt buy equivalent in the past) but rather the non-structual manipulation that may occur. Let me explain what I mean by non-structural, I'm talking about all the tricks that a player may use to wheedle out of legitimate results that they don't like and try to get the unfair (on the other players) rerolls. E.g suicides, whining. The thing is that this may occur even with generous dice pools and the such because the player will look at the 'average' result under a generous system and manipulate things if they get something in the lower half. All that has happened is the goal posts have shifted but the (imo dysfunctional) player's expectations have shifted just as much. After all of this semi-rant I come to the question I ask my players that pick up the dice instead of using the alternate point buy, "can you handle a poor result?" They all said yes but I now know one actually meant to say "no". [/QUOTE]

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