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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7561522" data-attributes="member: 22779">How is it a strawman?You are not allowed to have children.&nbsp; The population has to be carefully controlled.&nbsp; How exactly do you plan to enforce that?&nbsp; Forced sterilization?&nbsp; Forced abortion?&nbsp; Also, since it's a closed system, any child born is replacing an adult who has died.&nbsp; So when Bob the Engineer dies, Suzie gets to be born and she has zero choice.&nbsp; She must become an engineer.&nbsp; She can't be a botanist because we already have those.&nbsp; She can't start her own business, because the ship requires an engineer.&nbsp; So, from birth, Suzie is chosen to be the next engineer to replace Bob, that's the only education she is allowed.&nbsp; Because it would be a waste of resources to train her for anything else and the ship cannot afford to waste resources.Which, of course, brings up another elephant in the room.&nbsp; Exactly when does Bob the Engineer die?&nbsp; Once he is too old to work, does he get to take a long walk out an airlock?&nbsp; How exactly do we care for our elderly and infirm in a system with tight population caps and virtually no extra resources?&nbsp; It's not like we have space for those who cannot contribute to the function of the ship.&nbsp; So, are we recycling Bob on his 65th birthday?&nbsp; When would retirement age be anyway?&nbsp; Can I retire early?Oh, right, I can't quit.&nbsp; Somehow I'm not a slave, but, I cannot choose my job and I can never, ever quit my job.&nbsp; But, I'm not a slave, apparently.&nbsp; Because you cannot have institutional slavery apparently.&nbsp; Slaves must be owned by someone to be a slave.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid&nbsp; &nbsp; :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" />So, @ Shasarak, how do you deal with people who want to change vocations?&nbsp; And, [MENTION=177]Umbran[/MENTION] (sorry about the errr... slip of the keyboard there.&nbsp; Little frustration boiled through. Won't happen again.) you talked about innovation.&nbsp; What innovation?&nbsp; You are in a closed system with little spare resources and no outside information coming in.&nbsp; How, exactly, are you going to innovate?&nbsp; You cannot afford experimentation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7561522, member: 22779"] How is it a strawman? You are not allowed to have children. The population has to be carefully controlled. How exactly do you plan to enforce that? Forced sterilization? Forced abortion? Also, since it's a closed system, any child born is replacing an adult who has died. So when Bob the Engineer dies, Suzie gets to be born and she has zero choice. She must become an engineer. She can't be a botanist because we already have those. She can't start her own business, because the ship requires an engineer. So, from birth, Suzie is chosen to be the next engineer to replace Bob, that's the only education she is allowed. Because it would be a waste of resources to train her for anything else and the ship cannot afford to waste resources. Which, of course, brings up another elephant in the room. Exactly when does Bob the Engineer die? Once he is too old to work, does he get to take a long walk out an airlock? How exactly do we care for our elderly and infirm in a system with tight population caps and virtually no extra resources? It's not like we have space for those who cannot contribute to the function of the ship. So, are we recycling Bob on his 65th birthday? When would retirement age be anyway? Can I retire early? Oh, right, I can't quit. Somehow I'm not a slave, but, I cannot choose my job and I can never, ever quit my job. But, I'm not a slave, apparently. Because you cannot have institutional slavery apparently. Slaves must be owned by someone to be a slave. :uhoh: So, @ Shasarak, how do you deal with people who want to change vocations? And, [MENTION=177]Umbran[/MENTION] (sorry about the errr... slip of the keyboard there. Little frustration boiled through. Won't happen again.) you talked about innovation. What innovation? You are in a closed system with little spare resources and no outside information coming in. How, exactly, are you going to innovate? You cannot afford experimentation. [/QUOTE]

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