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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7563270" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Maybe not for so long, but, there are numerous societies that have stayed, more or less, static for centuries. And, to do so, created societies that were, by modern human rights standards anyway, shockingly repressive. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not a risk when it's a virtually guaranteed certainty. We can afford change and changing societies, even ones that murder 1/4 of their population (Cambodia) because the amount of "wiggle room" we have is enormous. On a space ship, you cannot have that degree of wiggle room.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, everyone in subsequent generations must be forced into a single culture and way of thinking because any deviation from the baseline isn't possible. And this is a morally justifiable position? Because, it's not just "understanding" that population growth needs to be controlled, it's "You have zero choice in this. We are going to control your reproductive rights (as well as a host of other personal rights) from birth whether you agree or not"</p><p></p><p>Or, can people choose to disagree?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Umm, having basic human rights is hardly what I'd call a "utopia". Being able to choose when and with whom I have a baby is hardly a utopia. Being able to choose what kind of job I'd like to do for the rest of my life is hardly a utopia. Being able to disagree with policies is hardly a utopia.</p><p></p><p>Your bar for utopia is pretty darn low. </p><p></p><p>And, you claim that there is no way out for them. That's not true. They can, and often do, flee countries. Not everyone, true. But, that is an option. And, note, while they might suffer under these regimes, many of these regimes do change over time. So, the horribly repressive dictatorship of today becomes tomorrow's free democracy. It's a painful process, to be sure, but, it does happen. As you say, societies are rarely static.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7563270, member: 22779"] Maybe not for so long, but, there are numerous societies that have stayed, more or less, static for centuries. And, to do so, created societies that were, by modern human rights standards anyway, shockingly repressive. It's not a risk when it's a virtually guaranteed certainty. We can afford change and changing societies, even ones that murder 1/4 of their population (Cambodia) because the amount of "wiggle room" we have is enormous. On a space ship, you cannot have that degree of wiggle room. So, everyone in subsequent generations must be forced into a single culture and way of thinking because any deviation from the baseline isn't possible. And this is a morally justifiable position? Because, it's not just "understanding" that population growth needs to be controlled, it's "You have zero choice in this. We are going to control your reproductive rights (as well as a host of other personal rights) from birth whether you agree or not" Or, can people choose to disagree? Umm, having basic human rights is hardly what I'd call a "utopia". Being able to choose when and with whom I have a baby is hardly a utopia. Being able to choose what kind of job I'd like to do for the rest of my life is hardly a utopia. Being able to disagree with policies is hardly a utopia. Your bar for utopia is pretty darn low. And, you claim that there is no way out for them. That's not true. They can, and often do, flee countries. Not everyone, true. But, that is an option. And, note, while they might suffer under these regimes, many of these regimes do change over time. So, the horribly repressive dictatorship of today becomes tomorrow's free democracy. It's a painful process, to be sure, but, it does happen. As you say, societies are rarely static. [/QUOTE]
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