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<blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 7563554" data-attributes="member: 8835">Your the guy in the zombie movie who questions our moral right to survival shouldn't come at the expense of the zombies.hearts in the right place, but you don't lead to surviving to a future positive outcome.Your way of thinking leads to taking no action because of the moral implications on anything else.We kill things to survive.We go to other places and kill things there to surviveWe make sacrifices for a larger future plan, like a pyramid.&nbsp; Some of you didn't get a choice in that, but it's a sacrifice somebody was willing to make.As Umbran says, if we don't get out of this solar system, our species will die when the sun dies.&nbsp; Everything we've ever done will be lost and thus be as if it never happened.&nbsp; Biggest waste of time ever.&nbsp; Hopefully we can be nicer about it than the guy who made the pyramids, but yeah, it's gonna suck for some people for awhile, in order to achieve the next big thing. And yes, I can make that decision for future generations. It's the ultimate right of all people in the present, because they are here, and the future is not.---btw, I just thought of a horrible metaphor that seems to apply.If you don't think it is morally right to get on a generation ship because you would subject your descendants to generations of hardship and restriction of rights, think about that and find a parallel situation here and now.Like, you know.&nbsp; Black people.&nbsp; You are basically saying black people should not breed because they are knowingly bringing future generations into the world that they will face the kind of things we don't talk about on EN World.Now I know Hussar don't mean it that way.&nbsp; But that's the extreme end of where that line of &quot;moral&quot; thinking goes.&nbsp; And it turns out, that ain't right either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Janx, post: 7563554, member: 8835"] Your the guy in the zombie movie who questions our moral right to survival shouldn't come at the expense of the zombies. hearts in the right place, but you don't lead to surviving to a future positive outcome. Your way of thinking leads to taking no action because of the moral implications on anything else. We kill things to survive. We go to other places and kill things there to survive We make sacrifices for a larger future plan, like a pyramid. Some of you didn't get a choice in that, but it's a sacrifice somebody was willing to make. As Umbran says, if we don't get out of this solar system, our species will die when the sun dies. Everything we've ever done will be lost and thus be as if it never happened. Biggest waste of time ever. Hopefully we can be nicer about it than the guy who made the pyramids, but yeah, it's gonna suck for some people for awhile, in order to achieve the next big thing. And yes, I can make that decision for future generations. It's the ultimate right of all people in the present, because they are here, and the future is not. --- btw, I just thought of a horrible metaphor that seems to apply. If you don't think it is morally right to get on a generation ship because you would subject your descendants to generations of hardship and restriction of rights, think about that and find a parallel situation here and now. Like, you know. Black people. You are basically saying black people should not breed because they are knowingly bringing future generations into the world that they will face the kind of things we don't talk about on EN World. Now I know Hussar don't mean it that way. But that's the extreme end of where that line of "moral" thinking goes. And it turns out, that ain't right either. [/QUOTE]

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