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Message: <blockquote data-quote="thefutilist" data-source="post: 9849966" data-attributes="member: 7044566">I went and thought about it for a bit, especially in the context of more low-myth systems, and there were complicating factors (I don’t appreciate the irony).If we take very bare bones conflict resolution it works as follows:One: Triggers when an ACTION in attempted in the fiction that is OPPOSED by another character’s ACTION in the fiction.Two: Has explicit stakes due to the above.. The ACTIONS of one force win out. ACTIONS can get fuzzy but it’s the same (more or less) as the task, tactics, involved.Three: Any generation must predominantly be done before the roll. This gets very fuzzy but at the least ‘something’ must exist that allows the conflict mechanism to trigger. Even if that’s a social network and even if it’s decided right there and then that this ‘character’ is implicit in the scene.So let’s take a haggling scenario. I’m a broke rockstar who has just turned up to L.A with $3 in my pocket. There is a vendor who is selling hotdogs for $8. I haggle with him to bring the price down. I am opposed by his self-interest (let’s say). The roll determines whether the haggling or self-interest wins out. The ACTION RESOLUTION causes a positional change (or not).Let’s take a counter example.I’m a broke rockstar trying to open the safe of a pharmacist, by picking the lock, to get to the medications inside. If my roll means I pick the lock anyway but it then determines what is inside, say on a failure there’s nothing there but aspirin, it’s a different kind of resolution than the first kind. Specifically because picking the lock, the ACTION, is orthogonal to the resolution.I suspect that distinction makes sense to both of us but I want to check before getting into some PbtA stuff and what Harper is saying. I want to put Torchbearer aside for the time being. I think it does some fascinating stuff but I don’t want to muddy the waters.</blockquote>

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