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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 6868933" data-attributes="member: 6683613">Well, that's a spectacularly unhelpful attitude.&nbsp; If you're going to flatly deny what I've actually said in order to insist that this conversation is about something it isn't, I don't see any point in continuing with you.Here:It's frustrating trying to have a conversation with a person who keeps attributing my position to fear, doubt, or mistrust.&nbsp; I might just as easily ask you if you're afraid that using a commonsense definition of &quot;intelligence&quot; might be a surrender of your imaginative freedom.I don't know, is what you're arguing equivalent to saying that players can't be trusted to use the rules of the game to contribute to the fiction?You've got a player dictating the actions of an immensely powerful extraplanar being working in her favor in order to explain how she gets past the zone of truth problem.&nbsp; And TwoSix and pemerton have got the other party members ignoring by fiat the zone of truth loophole they've discovered rather than using it to their advantage.&nbsp; &quot;My explanation only works if your character doesn't pull on that thread&quot; is treacherous territory.Fair enough.Doesn't that comparison ring any alarm bells?&nbsp; The horror of 1984 is that the Party is twisting and obfuscating the truth with artificial semantics for sinister purposes, and the moral of the story is that you shouldn't let people do this.Sure.&nbsp; That's the thing with the knives, right?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 6868933, member: 6683613"] Well, that's a spectacularly unhelpful attitude. If you're going to flatly deny what I've actually said in order to insist that this conversation is about something it isn't, I don't see any point in continuing with you. Here: It's frustrating trying to have a conversation with a person who keeps attributing my position to fear, doubt, or mistrust. I might just as easily ask you if you're afraid that using a commonsense definition of "intelligence" might be a surrender of your imaginative freedom. I don't know, is what you're arguing equivalent to saying that players can't be trusted to use the rules of the game to contribute to the fiction? You've got a player dictating the actions of an immensely powerful extraplanar being working in her favor in order to explain how she gets past the [I]zone of truth[/I] problem. And TwoSix and pemerton have got the other party members ignoring by fiat the [I]zone of truth[/I] loophole they've discovered rather than using it to their advantage. "My explanation only works if your character doesn't pull on that thread" is treacherous territory. Fair enough. Doesn't that comparison ring any alarm bells? The horror of [I]1984[/I] is that the Party is twisting and obfuscating the truth with artificial semantics for sinister purposes, and the moral of the story is that you shouldn't let people do this. Sure. That's the thing with the knives, right? [/QUOTE]

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