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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 6869801" data-attributes="member: 19675">So he has the secretary with him in class to write it down?&nbsp; How does she get her other duties done?Now you're having him engage in active deception, which is at odds with your original description of the character who &quot;doesn't know he's doing it&quot;.&nbsp; Not only that, he'd have to make logic/reasoning checks to make the decision that he needs to employ people to cheat for him- multiple times- AND choose the correct stand-ins.There are also all kinds of variables in &quot;test taking&quot;, since not every school or teacher does it the same way.&nbsp; Not all tests are done in big, anonymous herds.&nbsp; The higher you rise in education, the more likely you are to face tests that are done in small groups or even individually...and some are even oral.In a practice dating back centuries, doctorates are typically earned after composing a written thesis- which must be approved*- and orally defending it to a panel of faculty in the field in which the doctorate is being sought, often including the test-taker's faculty advisor.&nbsp; These are people who are likely to know who he is.&nbsp; Screw up, and you have to either revise your thesis or come up with a new one.IOW, it is extremely unlikely to have someone who it Int5 unknowingly defraud himself into a position as a Professor of Logic.In addition, his &quot;unintentional&quot; taking credit for the work of others is eventually going to be revealed as academic fraud if the persons whose thunder he's stealing continue to rise through academia.&nbsp; And if they're smart enough to solve the unsolvable, they WILL rise.&nbsp; And they WILL want proper credit.As the trickle of complaints becomes a flood, he will again face exposure.That wouldn't fly in a formal logic class.&nbsp; As soon as he screws up a simple syllogism- and he will- it will be obvious to the whole class.&nbsp; Everyone EXCEPT him will have the answer.&nbsp; He won't be able to introduce and explain the basics of logical fallacies.Repeated obvious failures will be reported to the administration.&nbsp; He will be exposed.You've never been to an academics social event, have you?&nbsp; Bouncing ideas off of each other and mental sparring are a common &quot;party game&quot;.&nbsp; Screw up enough, and fun time turns into administrative politics.It would take divine intervention.* how is he coming up with an approved thesis?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 6869801, member: 19675"] So he has the secretary with him in class to write it down? How does she get her other duties done? Now you're having him engage in active deception, which is at odds with your original description of the character who "doesn't know he's doing it". Not only that, he'd have to make logic/reasoning checks to make the decision that he needs to employ people to cheat for him- multiple times- AND choose the correct stand-ins. There are also all kinds of variables in "test taking", since not every school or teacher does it the same way. Not all tests are done in big, anonymous herds. The higher you rise in education, the more likely you are to face tests that are done in small groups or even individually...and some are even oral. In a practice dating back centuries, doctorates are typically earned after composing a written thesis- which must be approved*- and orally defending it to a panel of faculty in the field in which the doctorate is being sought, often including the test-taker's faculty advisor. These are people who are likely to know who he is. Screw up, and you have to either revise your thesis or come up with a new one. IOW, it is extremely unlikely to have someone who it Int5 unknowingly defraud himself into a position as a Professor of Logic. In addition, his "unintentional" taking credit for the work of others is eventually going to be revealed as academic fraud if the persons whose thunder he's stealing continue to rise through academia. And if they're smart enough to solve the unsolvable, they WILL rise. And they WILL want proper credit. As the trickle of complaints becomes a flood, he will again face exposure. That wouldn't fly in a formal logic class. As soon as he screws up a simple syllogism- and he will- it will be obvious to the whole class. Everyone EXCEPT him will have the answer. He won't be able to introduce and explain the basics of logical fallacies. Repeated obvious failures will be reported to the administration. He will be exposed. You've never been to an academics social event, have you? Bouncing ideas off of each other and mental sparring are a common "party game". Screw up enough, and fun time turns into administrative politics. It would take divine intervention. * how is he coming up with an approved thesis? [/QUOTE]

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