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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6870502" data-attributes="member: 23751">First, it's a figure of speech.&nbsp; I know very well that the game has an int, wis and cha of 0 and doesn't actually care about things.&nbsp; The game does require certain things, though, and that is that the PC tell the truth as he knows it if the PC fails the save.&nbsp; Well informed or not well informed doesn't play into it.In the case of Eloelle, since she absolutely knows the answer (even if it is the wrong answer), she must tell the truth and say what it is that she knows.&nbsp; She is incapable of lying and saying, &quot;I don't know&quot; and she is incapable of lying and saying, &quot;My patron scoffs at your puny magic and I don't have to answer.&quot;&nbsp; She does have to answer.&nbsp; The mechanics force her to.&nbsp; Baring a house rule to void those mechanics, her true answer would something along the lines of, &quot;My patron scoffs at your puny magic (true in her mind).&nbsp; The answer is goonygoogoo (true in her mind, but wrong for the riddle).He has in fact denied that it is a house rule.&nbsp; I think that's the only reason most or all of us are still debating this with him.&nbsp; If he just came out and admitted it, there'd be nothing left to argue.&nbsp; We'd either say we like or dislike the house rule, but then we'd be like, &quot;It's your game to house rule how you like.&nbsp; Have fun!&quot; and move on.It's broken because D&amp;D doesn't model things like that.&nbsp; 5e isn't Marvel and as [MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION] has said repeatedly, other games will model what is being tried far better than D&amp;D.&nbsp; You have to house rule mechanics in D&amp;D to cludge together that sort of story ability.None of us here have a 5 int.&nbsp; We understand what he is trying to do.&nbsp; The issue is that he doesn't want to admit that it's a house rule and he thinks 5e RAW allows what he is saying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6870502, member: 23751"] First, it's a figure of speech. I know very well that the game has an int, wis and cha of 0 and doesn't actually care about things. The game does require certain things, though, and that is that the PC tell the truth as he knows it if the PC fails the save. Well informed or not well informed doesn't play into it. In the case of Eloelle, since she absolutely knows the answer (even if it is the wrong answer), she must tell the truth and say what it is that she knows. She is incapable of lying and saying, "I don't know" and she is incapable of lying and saying, "My patron scoffs at your puny magic and I don't have to answer." She does have to answer. The mechanics force her to. Baring a house rule to void those mechanics, her true answer would something along the lines of, "My patron scoffs at your puny magic (true in her mind). The answer is goonygoogoo (true in her mind, but wrong for the riddle). He has in fact denied that it is a house rule. I think that's the only reason most or all of us are still debating this with him. If he just came out and admitted it, there'd be nothing left to argue. We'd either say we like or dislike the house rule, but then we'd be like, "It's your game to house rule how you like. Have fun!" and move on. It's broken because D&D doesn't model things like that. 5e isn't Marvel and as [MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION] has said repeatedly, other games will model what is being tried far better than D&D. You have to house rule mechanics in D&D to cludge together that sort of story ability. None of us here have a 5 int. We understand what he is trying to do. The issue is that he doesn't want to admit that it's a house rule and he thinks 5e RAW allows what he is saying. [/QUOTE]

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