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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6874385" data-attributes="member: 23751">You can't extrapolate a single thing and still be playing RAW.&nbsp; The instant you do, you have left WRITTEN and engages in a rule that applies only to your house.&nbsp; Your extrapolation has no bearing on my game and I am not required to rule against your extrapolation if I don't approve.&nbsp; Yes, the rules don't cover every circumstance.&nbsp; That's irrelevant.&nbsp; Any time you make a ruling based on a circumstance that the rules do not cover, you have altered that rule for your house and your house only, making it a house rule.&nbsp; You don't get to go around making this house rules and say that they are RAW.&nbsp; They aren't.As for there being no default.&nbsp; That's bupkis.&nbsp; The default is RAW, unless it is specifically offered up as an optional rule.&nbsp; There is no need for the game to explicitly tell you, &quot;This is default.&quot;There is no rule that says fireballs, lit torches, burning oil or any object of fire starts things burning, unless the specific rules on that object say so.&nbsp; You have to add that to the rules yourself.&nbsp; Does it make sense for that to happen?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; Does your addition to the rules force me to do the same unless I change the rule?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; It applies to your house only.Since it absolutely can be resolved completely straightforwardly, there is no &quot;can't.&quot;&nbsp; The spell requires that she tell the truth.&nbsp; The truth is that she knows the answer.&nbsp; Her answer is incorrect.&nbsp; Therefore she tells the incorrect answer that she knows to be the truth.&nbsp; It doesn't get more straightforward than that.There is no requirement that any truthful answer be correct.&nbsp; Only that it be the truth.&nbsp; If I as DM have someone lie to your PC and then another PC casts Zone of Truth, your PC will give that answer as the truth, even though it is incorrect.&nbsp; There is no reason for me to clue you in that your truth is incorrect so that your PC can give a different response.It doesn't matter if the player doesn't know the answer.&nbsp; Eloelle does because her patron gave it to her.&nbsp; That the patron lied is another matter entirely.&nbsp; Eloelle is required to give that answer.&nbsp; Since the player didn't receive the information on what the lie was, there are two choices.&nbsp; He can invent something, or ask the DM what the lie was that she was told so that he can give the truthful answer to the caster.&nbsp; In no case can he simply narrate that she made a save that was failed and then offer up a lie and say anything other than the truthful incorrect answer.&nbsp; At least not without a house rule to change the mechanics of the situation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6874385, member: 23751"] You can't extrapolate a single thing and still be playing RAW. The instant you do, you have left WRITTEN and engages in a rule that applies only to your house. Your extrapolation has no bearing on my game and I am not required to rule against your extrapolation if I don't approve. Yes, the rules don't cover every circumstance. That's irrelevant. Any time you make a ruling based on a circumstance that the rules do not cover, you have altered that rule for your house and your house only, making it a house rule. You don't get to go around making this house rules and say that they are RAW. They aren't. As for there being no default. That's bupkis. The default is RAW, unless it is specifically offered up as an optional rule. There is no need for the game to explicitly tell you, "This is default." There is no rule that says fireballs, lit torches, burning oil or any object of fire starts things burning, unless the specific rules on that object say so. You have to add that to the rules yourself. Does it make sense for that to happen? Yes. Does your addition to the rules force me to do the same unless I change the rule? No. It applies to your house only. Since it absolutely can be resolved completely straightforwardly, there is no "can't." The spell requires that she tell the truth. The truth is that she knows the answer. Her answer is incorrect. Therefore she tells the incorrect answer that she knows to be the truth. It doesn't get more straightforward than that. There is no requirement that any truthful answer be correct. Only that it be the truth. If I as DM have someone lie to your PC and then another PC casts Zone of Truth, your PC will give that answer as the truth, even though it is incorrect. There is no reason for me to clue you in that your truth is incorrect so that your PC can give a different response. It doesn't matter if the player doesn't know the answer. Eloelle does because her patron gave it to her. That the patron lied is another matter entirely. Eloelle is required to give that answer. Since the player didn't receive the information on what the lie was, there are two choices. He can invent something, or ask the DM what the lie was that she was told so that he can give the truthful answer to the caster. In no case can he simply narrate that she made a save that was failed and then offer up a lie and say anything other than the truthful incorrect answer. At least not without a house rule to change the mechanics of the situation. [/QUOTE]

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