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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6874495" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>The only <em>effect</em> here is the change in narration. Which is the whole point. Which means it's not true that it doesn't change <em>anything</em>: it changes the fiction.</p><p></p><p>What it doesn't do is confer any practical gameplay benefit upon Eloelle's player.</p><p></p><p>Why? The first doesn't confer any gameplay benefit: the player plays under all the burdens of having 5 INT (little or no practical access to useful information) and gets one of the few benefits of that (little or no liability to having to divulge information when affected by Enchantment spells).</p><p></p><p>The other would be cheating, in the traditional sense of that word: the player would be ignoring or breaking the rules of the game to get a significant gameplay benefit.</p><p></p><p>What possible reason is there to think that permitting one narration entails, or even opens up the suggestion of, permitting the other? I mean, <em>your table</em> isn't going to allow it, because you won't even allow the move with respect to ZoT.</p><p></p><p>And [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] and I aren't going to allow it, because it's cheating.</p><p></p><p>So who do you think has some reason to agree with your "surely" claim?</p><p></p><p>Who do you think takes a different view from the one that you express in the final quoted sentence? I don't, and I doubt that [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] does either.</p><p></p><p>But Eloelle isn't a self-evidently bad concept. The ZoT narration is ad hoc, but it's not incoherent nor is it particularly outlandish in a fantasy RPG.</p><p></p><p>I think the Eloelle character would be potentially more interesting if at a certain point s/he read a Tome of Clear Thought or acquired a Gem of Insight and was suddenly able to bring her secret knowledge to bear! - thus creating some sort of character arc or transformation that play a major role in driving the game. Without that, s/he's mostly just a bit of colour that adds some minor flavour to play but doesn't really drive things. But that still strikes me as mostly harmless colour - and her warlockishness still has the capacity to play out meaningfully in some other (non-knowledge-related) aspect of the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6874495, member: 42582"] The only [I]effect[/I] here is the change in narration. Which is the whole point. Which means it's not true that it doesn't change [I]anything[/I]: it changes the fiction. What it doesn't do is confer any practical gameplay benefit upon Eloelle's player. Why? The first doesn't confer any gameplay benefit: the player plays under all the burdens of having 5 INT (little or no practical access to useful information) and gets one of the few benefits of that (little or no liability to having to divulge information when affected by Enchantment spells). The other would be cheating, in the traditional sense of that word: the player would be ignoring or breaking the rules of the game to get a significant gameplay benefit. What possible reason is there to think that permitting one narration entails, or even opens up the suggestion of, permitting the other? I mean, [I]your table[/I] isn't going to allow it, because you won't even allow the move with respect to ZoT. And [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] and I aren't going to allow it, because it's cheating. So who do you think has some reason to agree with your "surely" claim? Who do you think takes a different view from the one that you express in the final quoted sentence? I don't, and I doubt that [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] does either. But Eloelle isn't a self-evidently bad concept. The ZoT narration is ad hoc, but it's not incoherent nor is it particularly outlandish in a fantasy RPG. I think the Eloelle character would be potentially more interesting if at a certain point s/he read a Tome of Clear Thought or acquired a Gem of Insight and was suddenly able to bring her secret knowledge to bear! - thus creating some sort of character arc or transformation that play a major role in driving the game. Without that, s/he's mostly just a bit of colour that adds some minor flavour to play but doesn't really drive things. But that still strikes me as mostly harmless colour - and her warlockishness still has the capacity to play out meaningfully in some other (non-knowledge-related) aspect of the game. [/QUOTE]
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