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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 6876254">Gah!&nbsp; Bunch of typing lost to an accidental browser back.&nbsp; Anyway...The contradiction is that:1) The assertion is that it breaks the mechanics of ZoT to allow Eloelle to answer &quot;I don't know&quot; to ZoT and that it is breaking the rules to allow her to do so just because she narrates something about her Patron.&nbsp; 2) That assertion depends on Eloelle either knowing or believing she knows the answer to the Riddle, because otherwise her truthful answer would have been &quot;I don't know.&quot;3) But for either of those cases to be true, her earlier narration (&quot;I solved the Riddle but am keeping it a secret&quot;) would have had to override the mechanics, exactly the thing that is being asserted is against the rules.Pemerton and I are claiming that in neither case does the narration override mechanics, that it's just fluff, just narration, and thus the final outcome is the same: Eloelle answers &quot;I don't know&quot; to ZoT.&nbsp; Ok, imagine this:Instead of Eloelle doing any of the narration I've been describing, she just keeps it terse:DM: &quot;What did you roll on your Int check?&quot;Eloelle: &quot;I failed with an 8.&quot;DM: &quot;Ok, you don't solve the Riddle.&quot;then later...DM: &quot;What did you roll on your Cha save?&quot;Eloelle: &quot;I failed with a 5.&quot;DM: &quot;Ok, the evil Cleric asks if you know the answer to the Riddle.&quot;Eloelle: &quot;Nope.&quot;All this time, Eloelle has been writing down the previous narrative about her Patron, and after the session is over she posts it to her blog as a short story.I suspect you don't have a problem with any of that.So why does it change the mechanics if she narrates verbally?She's not declaring actions or otherwise interacting with any objects or people in the game.&nbsp; She's just narrating what's going on in her head.The answer can only be that somehow you and a few others think the narration alters the mechanics.&nbsp; Pemerton and I are saying it does not, unless the DM allows it to, in which case he has stepped outside of RAW.That's cool.&nbsp; You have every right to think/do that.&nbsp; There are lots of character concepts that, while within the rules, I also find annoying/antisocial/immature.&nbsp; Usually, though, it's the player who makes the concept annoying, not the concept itself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 6876254"] Gah! Bunch of typing lost to an accidental browser back. Anyway... The contradiction is that: 1) The assertion is that it breaks the mechanics of ZoT to allow Eloelle to answer "I don't know" to ZoT and that it is breaking the rules to allow her to do so just because she narrates something about her Patron. 2) That assertion depends on Eloelle either knowing or believing she knows the answer to the Riddle, because otherwise her truthful answer would have been "I don't know." 3) But for either of those cases to be true, her earlier narration ("I solved the Riddle but am keeping it a secret") would have had to override the mechanics, exactly the thing that is being asserted is against the rules. Pemerton and I are claiming that in neither case does the narration override mechanics, that it's just fluff, just narration, and thus the final outcome is the same: Eloelle answers "I don't know" to ZoT. Ok, imagine this: Instead of Eloelle doing any of the narration I've been describing, she just keeps it terse: DM: "What did you roll on your Int check?" Eloelle: "I failed with an 8." DM: "Ok, you don't solve the Riddle." then later... DM: "What did you roll on your Cha save?" Eloelle: "I failed with a 5." DM: "Ok, the evil Cleric asks if you know the answer to the Riddle." Eloelle: "Nope." All this time, Eloelle has been writing down the previous narrative about her Patron, and after the session is over she posts it to her blog as a short story. I suspect you don't have a problem with any of that. [I]So why does it change the mechanics if she narrates verbally? [/I]She's not declaring actions or otherwise interacting with any objects or people in the game. She's just narrating what's going on in her head. The answer can only be that somehow you and a few others think the narration alters the mechanics. Pemerton and I are saying it does not, unless the DM allows it to, in which case he has stepped outside of RAW. That's cool. You have every right to think/do that. There are lots of character concepts that, while within the rules, I also find annoying/antisocial/immature. Usually, though, it's the player who makes the concept annoying, not the concept itself. [/QUOTE]

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