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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6881798" data-attributes="member: 23751">At least three reasons.&nbsp; First, charm can force nothing.&nbsp; All it does is cause you to treat the NPC as a friendly acquaintance.&nbsp; That's not even as strong as a friend, let alone a best friend, and not even my best friend can force me to know something I don't know.&nbsp; Would I try to help with the crossword puzzle for a friend?&nbsp; Sure, but that's as far as it goes.&nbsp; Second, why would it be forced?&nbsp; Even if you dominate someone, all you can do is force them to help.&nbsp; You can't force them to make a check.&nbsp; You can command him to solve the puzzle, which he will do to the best of his ability, but if that best involves something he doesn't know, he doesn't know it.&nbsp; Third, A knowledge check isn't something a PC can initiate. The player has to ask if the PC knows something and then the DM answers yes, no or say a knowledge check is necessary to know that information.&nbsp; If the DM says a check is necessary to know the info, player can opt not to take it and just say that his PC doesn't know.&nbsp; No it's not purely metagame.&nbsp; If I make a PC from a desert land and I know that he doesn't have any knowledge of oceans or seas, he's not going to have that information even if dominated to solve a ocean based crossword puzzle.&nbsp; I will just let the DM know my reasoning and that's that.&nbsp; No roll will be made.&nbsp; No metagaming involved.If a PC is going to tell me that his PC absolutely doesn't know something, I'm going to expect him to have an in game reason for the lack of knowledge and not to be saying that just because the player doesn't want the bad guy to know.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6881798, member: 23751"] At least three reasons. First, charm can force nothing. All it does is cause you to treat the NPC as a friendly acquaintance. That's not even as strong as a friend, let alone a best friend, and not even my best friend can force me to know something I don't know. Would I try to help with the crossword puzzle for a friend? Sure, but that's as far as it goes. Second, why would it be forced? Even if you dominate someone, all you can do is force them to help. You can't force them to make a check. You can command him to solve the puzzle, which he will do to the best of his ability, but if that best involves something he doesn't know, he doesn't know it. Third, A knowledge check isn't something a PC can initiate. The player has to ask if the PC knows something and then the DM answers yes, no or say a knowledge check is necessary to know that information. If the DM says a check is necessary to know the info, player can opt not to take it and just say that his PC doesn't know. No it's not purely metagame. If I make a PC from a desert land and I know that he doesn't have any knowledge of oceans or seas, he's not going to have that information even if dominated to solve a ocean based crossword puzzle. I will just let the DM know my reasoning and that's that. No roll will be made. No metagaming involved. If a PC is going to tell me that his PC absolutely doesn't know something, I'm going to expect him to have an in game reason for the lack of knowledge and not to be saying that just because the player doesn't want the bad guy to know. [/QUOTE]

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