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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 2275222" data-attributes="member: 4937">It's certainly possible.  People do it to me all the time.No, that's pretty much what I thought you said.  I disagree with you that such standards are easy to apply consistantly.  To saw the famous saw, "A sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.", and I note that most science fiction (certainly the popular stuff) typically makes use of 'sufficiently advanced technology'.   Much of this stuff is nothing but magic, but its accepted with a handwave and a very thin dressing of technobabble simply because it has become part of the conventions of Sci-Fi.  Most popular science fiction makes no real attempt to conform to the laws of physics at all.  It is to me merely magic by a different name, attractive only in so far as magic is more attractive if you believe in it.  Good.  My definitinos for the generas are not mutually exclusive either, since its possible for one work to have many themes and elements.Earlier in the thread, several posters seemed to try to advance the idea that the presence of magic was a sharp bright dividing between science-fiction and fantasy.  Clearly, you aren't among them.Common sense tells you that, and I've learned a long time ago that there wasn't much use arguing against common sense.  And heck, I even believe that most of the time when you argue against common sense you're wrong, so maybe your right.  I just happen to think that there is alot more to the generas than the superficial imagery of them, that there is more to the novel than novelty, and that there are in fact literary themes within them which are extremely difficult to address from outside them.</blockquote>

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