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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 2278640" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>It is interesting how often they appear. It is not, however, essential that they appear, which is where I take exception to what you'd stated.</p><p></p><p>Ascribing an anti-racist agenda to ERB before racism as we knew it existed as an ideology, for one. And ignoring his more obvious racism prevelant in his work when his characters are <em>not</em> on some alien planet.</p><p></p><p>I've already said I haven't seen High Plains Drifter, I don't know what ERB's satire has to do with anything; as I've already said, that's not a "theme" of his work, that's just a minor footnote at best, and I've never read 'The Magic Goes Away.'</p><p></p><p>I don't know anything about your background. But I do know the academic literary criticism methodology, and you are most definitely using it.</p><p></p><p>You could, you know, not post in the thread if it bothers you that much.</p><p></p><p>Other than the insulting hyperbole, that's what I said.</p><p></p><p>I already know about Tolkien. I don't see what that has to do with anything; he hasn't come up in this discussion yet.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of hyperbole...</p><p></p><p>So stay out of them. This is a literary discussion, not a religious one.</p><p></p><p>Actually, the only reason I used the word 'deep' was because you had in the post I was quoting. If it's not your idea, you must be back-pedalling again, because it is <em>exactly</em> what you said. From your posts on this thread, I'm not sure that that I can count on <em>exactly</em> what you said being any guide to what you are saying <em>now</em> though.</p><p></p><p>And here we come to the main reason I have such a problem with the "look for symbols" methodology. You claim that it doesn't even matter if the author intended to say anything. And ironically you claim, earlier in this same post I'm replying to, "Oh, good grief. Show me one example of me doing this despite the author's stated intentions."</p><p></p><p>This methodology has very little to do with the actual work itself anymore and becomes all about the reader's biases and opinions. Which, in some circumstances, I think are interesting to note, but in others I think are so many wasted words.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 2278640, member: 2205"] It is interesting how often they appear. It is not, however, essential that they appear, which is where I take exception to what you'd stated. Ascribing an anti-racist agenda to ERB before racism as we knew it existed as an ideology, for one. And ignoring his more obvious racism prevelant in his work when his characters are [i]not[/i] on some alien planet. I've already said I haven't seen High Plains Drifter, I don't know what ERB's satire has to do with anything; as I've already said, that's not a "theme" of his work, that's just a minor footnote at best, and I've never read 'The Magic Goes Away.' I don't know anything about your background. But I do know the academic literary criticism methodology, and you are most definitely using it. You could, you know, not post in the thread if it bothers you that much. Other than the insulting hyperbole, that's what I said. I already know about Tolkien. I don't see what that has to do with anything; he hasn't come up in this discussion yet. Speaking of hyperbole... So stay out of them. This is a literary discussion, not a religious one. Actually, the only reason I used the word 'deep' was because you had in the post I was quoting. If it's not your idea, you must be back-pedalling again, because it is [i]exactly[/i] what you said. From your posts on this thread, I'm not sure that that I can count on [i]exactly[/i] what you said being any guide to what you are saying [i]now[/i] though. And here we come to the main reason I have such a problem with the "look for symbols" methodology. You claim that it doesn't even matter if the author intended to say anything. And ironically you claim, earlier in this same post I'm replying to, "Oh, good grief. Show me one example of me doing this despite the author's stated intentions." This methodology has very little to do with the actual work itself anymore and becomes all about the reader's biases and opinions. Which, in some circumstances, I think are interesting to note, but in others I think are so many wasted words. [/QUOTE]
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