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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 2279349" data-attributes="member: 4937">Wild Gazebo: First, let me say that I'd rather be discussing this with you, as I think you are making the better points, but my blood is running abit hot right now and so I apologize if I'm not giving what you say the greater attention that it deserves.  Talking with you, I feel I might actually learn something.I think that is absolutely correct.  Speaking only for myself, I'm a Socratic thinker by nature, and so I desire a definition of science fiction and fantasy which is all encompansing and encompanses not only all the science fiction that is, but all the science fiction that ever will be.  I will not be happy with an Aristolian definition of science fiction which is merely a list of setting elements added to whenever someone else - for reasons he cannot clearly explain - decides that this thing belongs on the list.  I believe that despite his protests to the contrary, the method he espouses is actually a more arbitrary means of classification than mine because depends precisely on things which are to internal to the reader and even on things as fickle as the reader's emotional responce to the work.Which is what I intend to show next.  Not that I haven't already done this several times, but I guess I'm going to have to do this formally and at more length, because Joshua is not even offering an attempt to refute my objections but still parading out his claims as if I haven't made any argument against them.</blockquote>

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