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<blockquote data-quote="Wayside" data-source="post: 2279661" data-attributes="member: 8394"><p>Oh, I didn't really mean it like that. I often wish I could just shorthand ideas by referring to their articulations in the work of X around here, because it would save loads of time and I'd know whoever I was talking to was on the same page as me, as it would give us a common point of reference. The fact that I can't do that even dissuades me from participating in a conversation like this one because there are 2000 years of genre theory I can't really refer to without restating and oversimplifying it, and because really the issue here, the strife between sameness and difference, has been at the root of all philosophy since the beginning. So I want to have this conversation at a completely different level that isn't really productive for someone who only wants to think about what the fantasyness of fantasy or the scienceness of science is (or the fictionness of fiction, for that matter, since the difference between fiction and non-fiction is not the difference between real and made-up), since rather than simply the genreness of a genre I want to talk about the thisness of things in general. Consequently, I'll just shut up <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. I am curious about Joshua's experiences with what he is calling literary criticism though. (In terms of the argument about racism I was actually surprised not to hear about Conrad/Achebe, since I think that would really have driven home Celebrim's point. But again, Joshua seems to be negatively disposed toward theory in the first place, so in the context of this thread it's probably better to stay away from names of critics/theorists. I laughed earlier though because one of Joshua's comments could almost have come straight from the mouth of Gadamer or some other hemeneut.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>In one seminar I had there was an Indian girl, and she had had a professor as an undergraduate who pronounced Said's name that way, which was a source of endless amusement to our professor, who was I guess a friend of Said's.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wayside, post: 2279661, member: 8394"] Oh, I didn't really mean it like that. I often wish I could just shorthand ideas by referring to their articulations in the work of X around here, because it would save loads of time and I'd know whoever I was talking to was on the same page as me, as it would give us a common point of reference. The fact that I can't do that even dissuades me from participating in a conversation like this one because there are 2000 years of genre theory I can't really refer to without restating and oversimplifying it, and because really the issue here, the strife between sameness and difference, has been at the root of all philosophy since the beginning. So I want to have this conversation at a completely different level that isn't really productive for someone who only wants to think about what the fantasyness of fantasy or the scienceness of science is (or the fictionness of fiction, for that matter, since the difference between fiction and non-fiction is not the difference between real and made-up), since rather than simply the genreness of a genre I want to talk about the thisness of things in general. Consequently, I'll just shut up :). I am curious about Joshua's experiences with what he is calling literary criticism though. (In terms of the argument about racism I was actually surprised not to hear about Conrad/Achebe, since I think that would really have driven home Celebrim's point. But again, Joshua seems to be negatively disposed toward theory in the first place, so in the context of this thread it's probably better to stay away from names of critics/theorists. I laughed earlier though because one of Joshua's comments could almost have come straight from the mouth of Gadamer or some other hemeneut.) In one seminar I had there was an Indian girl, and she had had a professor as an undergraduate who pronounced Said's name that way, which was a source of endless amusement to our professor, who was I guess a friend of Said's. [/QUOTE]
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