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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2291877" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Re:Kurosawa/<strong>Star Wars</strong> connection:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, the best online source for this has evaporated- it went into the various sources Lucas used...but these still remain.</p><p><a href="http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/showrevpdf.php3?ID=1221" target="_blank">http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/showrevpdf.php3?ID=1221</a> </p><p><a href="http://www.enlightenweb.net/s/st/star_wars.html" target="_blank">http://www.enlightenweb.net/s/st/star_wars.html</a> </p><p><a href="http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=46636&inline=nyt_ttl" target="_blank">http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=46636&inline=nyt_ttl</a> </p><p><a href="http://www.movie-list.com/forum/printthread.php?t=5855" target="_blank">http://www.movie-list.com/forum/printthread.php?t=5855</a></p><p></p><p><strong>Star Wars</strong> is the only one in which I see any connection myself.</p><p></p><p>To clarify my own position: I DO consider SF/F as genres distinct from other literary genres, though not neccessarily distinct from each other. My insistence about "settings/trappings" stems from what was well stated here:</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>And we keep finding exceptions to each definition we propose...plot driven? concepts? For example:</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Historical fiction and a branch of sci-fi called alternate history, can both be backwards looking. As I mentioned before, a lot of Japanese non-Fantasy deals with the loss of their warrior culture and what it means for the modern Japanese.</p><p></p><p>A Hero can appear in any kind of fiction- Miles Flint of Kristine Kathryn Rusch's Retreival Artist books is a classic hero, right down to his name. And you will find no supernatural events within those books. They are Hard Sci-Fi.</p><p></p><p>None so far has proven more exclusive beyond the admittedly shallow "settings/trappings"- and even THAT has exceptions. At the very least, Phillip K. Dick has written several fantasies set in futuristic settings.</p><p></p><p>The key may be that we are trying to be exclusive when exclusivity may not be possible. Literary genres are not as exclusive as Linnean classification systems. </p><p></p><p>Perhaps we should instead gravitate towards a definition that deals with shadings...The <em>Majoritiy</em> of sci fi is _____________. The Majority of Fantasy is _______________.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2291877, member: 19675"] Re:Kurosawa/[B]Star Wars[/B] connection: Well, the best online source for this has evaporated- it went into the various sources Lucas used...but these still remain. [URL]http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/showrevpdf.php3?ID=1221[/URL] [URL]http://www.enlightenweb.net/s/st/star_wars.html[/URL] [URL]http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=46636&inline=nyt_ttl[/URL] [URL]http://www.movie-list.com/forum/printthread.php?t=5855[/URL] [B]Star Wars[/B] is the only one in which I see any connection myself. To clarify my own position: I DO consider SF/F as genres distinct from other literary genres, though not neccessarily distinct from each other. My insistence about "settings/trappings" stems from what was well stated here: And we keep finding exceptions to each definition we propose...plot driven? concepts? For example: Historical fiction and a branch of sci-fi called alternate history, can both be backwards looking. As I mentioned before, a lot of Japanese non-Fantasy deals with the loss of their warrior culture and what it means for the modern Japanese. A Hero can appear in any kind of fiction- Miles Flint of Kristine Kathryn Rusch's Retreival Artist books is a classic hero, right down to his name. And you will find no supernatural events within those books. They are Hard Sci-Fi. None so far has proven more exclusive beyond the admittedly shallow "settings/trappings"- and even THAT has exceptions. At the very least, Phillip K. Dick has written several fantasies set in futuristic settings. The key may be that we are trying to be exclusive when exclusivity may not be possible. Literary genres are not as exclusive as Linnean classification systems. Perhaps we should instead gravitate towards a definition that deals with shadings...The [I]Majoritiy[/I] of sci fi is _____________. The Majority of Fantasy is _______________. [/QUOTE]
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