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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2302143" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>I'm referring to:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If we don't need a narrative element absent from other genres to define SF/F, then to what are you referring in post #243 when you say "They need to be able to do something other literary types cannot do"? Sounds like a narrative element to me.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><em>I myself said as much</em>. I only claim that it has FEWER exceptions than other starting points as yet proposed, not that "settings/trappings" lacks exceptions. I explicitly noted that authors like Phillip K. Dick, Kurt Vonnegut and Piers Anthony have written fantasies set in otherwise typical SF surroundings. SF set in fantasy surroundings is a rarer bird- as of this writing, only David Drake's Northworld trilogy and Storm Constantine's Wraethu books spring to mind, and I'm not 100% on them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I don't miss that point- it is irrelevant to mine. I personally feel that SF/F ARE valuable as genres, and do not feel that a lack of exclusivity robs them of merit. Both Sir Isaac Newton and Gottried Wilhelm von Leibnitz invented calculus <em>independently</em>. That Newton published first does not in any way diminish GWvL's impressive feat.</p><p></p><p>So SF/F don't have unique qualities (that we can uncover) but can mimic any other fictional genre? SO WHAT? Perhaps instead of destroying their literary value, <strong>maybe that flexibility is what defines them as genres.</strong> SF/F- the Jack of All Trades of the literary world? I'm not sure any other genre can make that claim.</p><p></p><p>That said...</p><p></p><p>Something else I have noticed in my ruminations on the nature of SF/F is this: Like the Court Jester calling the King an idiot to his face, both SF/F can tell fictionalized stories about real events, even inflammatory ones, without causing a stir in the culture at large. Unfortunately, I think that's more of a factor of the small pool of readership than any innate..."dogness"...of either genre. They can tell the truth because nobody's listening, at least, nobody that the culture at large cares to listen to in turn.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2302143, member: 19675"] I'm referring to: If we don't need a narrative element absent from other genres to define SF/F, then to what are you referring in post #243 when you say "They need to be able to do something other literary types cannot do"? Sounds like a narrative element to me. [I]I myself said as much[/I]. I only claim that it has FEWER exceptions than other starting points as yet proposed, not that "settings/trappings" lacks exceptions. I explicitly noted that authors like Phillip K. Dick, Kurt Vonnegut and Piers Anthony have written fantasies set in otherwise typical SF surroundings. SF set in fantasy surroundings is a rarer bird- as of this writing, only David Drake's Northworld trilogy and Storm Constantine's Wraethu books spring to mind, and I'm not 100% on them. No, I don't miss that point- it is irrelevant to mine. I personally feel that SF/F ARE valuable as genres, and do not feel that a lack of exclusivity robs them of merit. Both Sir Isaac Newton and Gottried Wilhelm von Leibnitz invented calculus [I]independently[/I]. That Newton published first does not in any way diminish GWvL's impressive feat. So SF/F don't have unique qualities (that we can uncover) but can mimic any other fictional genre? SO WHAT? Perhaps instead of destroying their literary value, [B]maybe that flexibility is what defines them as genres.[/B] SF/F- the Jack of All Trades of the literary world? I'm not sure any other genre can make that claim. That said... Something else I have noticed in my ruminations on the nature of SF/F is this: Like the Court Jester calling the King an idiot to his face, both SF/F can tell fictionalized stories about real events, even inflammatory ones, without causing a stir in the culture at large. Unfortunately, I think that's more of a factor of the small pool of readership than any innate..."dogness"...of either genre. They can tell the truth because nobody's listening, at least, nobody that the culture at large cares to listen to in turn. [/QUOTE]
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