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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2303269" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Perhaps this will help-</p><p></p><p>Lets look at another human endeavor for comparison: cooking.</p><p></p><p>What makes a cuisine unique isn't any one ingredient, but the combination of ingredients and the ways in which they are used.</p><p></p><p>If someone were to say of Japanese cuisine that it was unique because it used raw seafood, a person countering that French cuisine ALSO makes use of raw seafood, then that it not something unique to Japanese cuisine.</p><p></p><p>HOWEVER, if someone said it was the ingredients, the preparation/cooking methods, and presentation methods & styles<em> in combination</em> that made Japanese cuisine unique, then the only way to refute that would be to find a cuisine that substantially uses all of the above and was still demonstrably not Japanese in some way.</p><p></p><p>Sure, there are still fusion dishes, but they are not destroying the uniqueness of the fused cuisines because they are substituting something from one cuisine with something from another, without affecting the overall designation.</p><p></p><p>This, in effect, REDEEMS barsoomcore's working definition quite a bit. SF can still be the combination of those 3 questions in a particular kind of setting (and possibly other factors), and the existence of an element of SF elsewhere doesn't destroy the <em>aggregate</em> that is SF. However, it still means that what distinguishes SF from another particular genre may simply be the setting...or one of the questions.</p><p></p><p>In other words, what<strong> <em>defines</em> </strong>genres is not a single unique atomizable element, but rather the combination of ingredients. What<strong> <em>distinguishes</em> </strong>them, however, may in fact be certain small differences.</p><p></p><p><strong>Cushion </strong>: name for 1 of 2 types of physical objects. Either 1) a subcategory of chair that is soft or 2) the soft portion of the seating area of a chair. The second likely resulted when someone recognized the merits of the first kind, and incorporated its desirable features (softness) into the design of a non-cushion style chair by placing a small cushion on a chair. The name for the former remained the name of the latter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2303269, member: 19675"] Perhaps this will help- Lets look at another human endeavor for comparison: cooking. What makes a cuisine unique isn't any one ingredient, but the combination of ingredients and the ways in which they are used. If someone were to say of Japanese cuisine that it was unique because it used raw seafood, a person countering that French cuisine ALSO makes use of raw seafood, then that it not something unique to Japanese cuisine. HOWEVER, if someone said it was the ingredients, the preparation/cooking methods, and presentation methods & styles[I] in combination[/I] that made Japanese cuisine unique, then the only way to refute that would be to find a cuisine that substantially uses all of the above and was still demonstrably not Japanese in some way. Sure, there are still fusion dishes, but they are not destroying the uniqueness of the fused cuisines because they are substituting something from one cuisine with something from another, without affecting the overall designation. This, in effect, REDEEMS barsoomcore's working definition quite a bit. SF can still be the combination of those 3 questions in a particular kind of setting (and possibly other factors), and the existence of an element of SF elsewhere doesn't destroy the [I]aggregate[/I] that is SF. However, it still means that what distinguishes SF from another particular genre may simply be the setting...or one of the questions. In other words, what[B] [I]defines[/I] [/B]genres is not a single unique atomizable element, but rather the combination of ingredients. What[B] [I]distinguishes[/I] [/B]them, however, may in fact be certain small differences. [B]Cushion [/B]: name for 1 of 2 types of physical objects. Either 1) a subcategory of chair that is soft or 2) the soft portion of the seating area of a chair. The second likely resulted when someone recognized the merits of the first kind, and incorporated its desirable features (softness) into the design of a non-cushion style chair by placing a small cushion on a chair. The name for the former remained the name of the latter. [/QUOTE]
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