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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2318558" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Not at all.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>The diagrams merely show that there are representatives within each genre that are purely of that genre (relative to each other). It says NOTHING about the actual sizes of the pure areas. In fact, the pure areas could have only 1 representative work within them.</p><p> </p><p>There are SF works that have no F or Horror elements: so-called "Hard SF." For example, Ben Bova's Planetary series of novels has nothing supernatural: Simply put, the series is about the early stages of Human civilization into the rest of the Solar System. <em>I challenge you to find a fantasy or horror element of any kind within that series.</em> The tech used to move from one planet to the other is all within NASA's current grasp or current theory- pure Newtonian Physics and crafty telemetry: no hyperdrive, warp drive, tamed black holes as power sources, etc. The only characters are human- no intelligent aliens or alien tech here. There is no super-tech that bends the rules of physics. The one tech used that doesn't currently exist is cryo-sleep, and even that is still a tech with problems: it usually results in brain damage of some kind- and it is only used for 1 character. There are no horror elements either: no monsters, escaped psychos, etc. The main conflict exists between a wealthy technocrat who wants to be the one who profits from the expansion and those who are more altruistic- expanding the horizons of human civiliaztion for ALL to live within and profit from. There is industrial espionage, there are races to particular planets...but the storylines are entirely within the possible..</p><p></p><p>Similarly, it is easy enough to find representatives of pure Fantasy: LOTR and Earthsea spring immediately to mind.</p><p></p><p>Of course, I AM ignoring all other forms of fiction, since all I'm addressing is distinguishing between SF/F & Horror. This I freely admit.</p><p></p><p>Were I to draw a Venn Diagram of <em>all</em> fiction, there would be a single large circle drawn around numerous other circles...kind of like you'd get by going nuts with a Spirograph. Assuming an infinite # of possible genres, it is likely there would be no area unique to any genre.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2318558, member: 19675"] Not at all. The diagrams merely show that there are representatives within each genre that are purely of that genre (relative to each other). It says NOTHING about the actual sizes of the pure areas. In fact, the pure areas could have only 1 representative work within them. There are SF works that have no F or Horror elements: so-called "Hard SF." For example, Ben Bova's Planetary series of novels has nothing supernatural: Simply put, the series is about the early stages of Human civilization into the rest of the Solar System. [I]I challenge you to find a fantasy or horror element of any kind within that series.[/I] The tech used to move from one planet to the other is all within NASA's current grasp or current theory- pure Newtonian Physics and crafty telemetry: no hyperdrive, warp drive, tamed black holes as power sources, etc. The only characters are human- no intelligent aliens or alien tech here. There is no super-tech that bends the rules of physics. The one tech used that doesn't currently exist is cryo-sleep, and even that is still a tech with problems: it usually results in brain damage of some kind- and it is only used for 1 character. There are no horror elements either: no monsters, escaped psychos, etc. The main conflict exists between a wealthy technocrat who wants to be the one who profits from the expansion and those who are more altruistic- expanding the horizons of human civiliaztion for ALL to live within and profit from. There is industrial espionage, there are races to particular planets...but the storylines are entirely within the possible.. Similarly, it is easy enough to find representatives of pure Fantasy: LOTR and Earthsea spring immediately to mind. Of course, I AM ignoring all other forms of fiction, since all I'm addressing is distinguishing between SF/F & Horror. This I freely admit. Were I to draw a Venn Diagram of [I]all[/I] fiction, there would be a single large circle drawn around numerous other circles...kind of like you'd get by going nuts with a Spirograph. Assuming an infinite # of possible genres, it is likely there would be no area unique to any genre. [/QUOTE]
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