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<blockquote data-quote="Fast Learner" data-source="post: 1853165" data-attributes="member: 649"><p>I appreciate that, but people -- Martin included -- won't learn to be tolerant without a period of uncomfortable intolerance, a period where we remind each other to be civil.</p><p></p><p>For example, I participate in a board online where we actually discuss politics and religion all the time. When we discuss politics we have people from the left, the right, the up, the down, you name it. We have people from Europe with their political perspectives, people who are pistol-shootin' Texans, people from other parts of the world, too. When we discuss religion we have athiests, Christians (of many stripes, including various Protestants, Catholics, Jehovahs Witnesses, and Mormons), Jews, one Muslim, a variety of Buddhists and New Agers, Wiccans, and more.</p><p></p><p>And yup, early on it was tough to discuss things peacefully. But for the last several years our conversations are almost entirely completely respectful, with no one attacking each other at all. Is it perfect? No, but it's really amazing. Yet we would never have reached that point without going through some discomfort first, with people hanging in there even though the signal-to-noise ratio wasn't the greatest for a while. Now, though, we can discuss <em>anything</em> peacefully, and we do.</p><p></p><p>I firmly believe the same is true of society as a whole. Yes, at the beginning there will be intolerance and discomfort, and a certain amount of that will probably never go away. But today's world, where you're not allowed to talk about the things that <em>most affect your life and happiness</em>, is highly disfunctional, and keeping quiet isn't going to fix it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fast Learner, post: 1853165, member: 649"] I appreciate that, but people -- Martin included -- won't learn to be tolerant without a period of uncomfortable intolerance, a period where we remind each other to be civil. For example, I participate in a board online where we actually discuss politics and religion all the time. When we discuss politics we have people from the left, the right, the up, the down, you name it. We have people from Europe with their political perspectives, people who are pistol-shootin' Texans, people from other parts of the world, too. When we discuss religion we have athiests, Christians (of many stripes, including various Protestants, Catholics, Jehovahs Witnesses, and Mormons), Jews, one Muslim, a variety of Buddhists and New Agers, Wiccans, and more. And yup, early on it was tough to discuss things peacefully. But for the last several years our conversations are almost entirely completely respectful, with no one attacking each other at all. Is it perfect? No, but it's really amazing. Yet we would never have reached that point without going through some discomfort first, with people hanging in there even though the signal-to-noise ratio wasn't the greatest for a while. Now, though, we can discuss [i]anything[/i] peacefully, and we do. I firmly believe the same is true of society as a whole. Yes, at the beginning there will be intolerance and discomfort, and a certain amount of that will probably never go away. But today's world, where you're not allowed to talk about the things that [i]most affect your life and happiness[/i], is highly disfunctional, and keeping quiet isn't going to fix it. [/QUOTE]
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