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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pierce_Inverarity" data-source="post: 1620602" data-attributes="member: 14362">This is also an issue for me, and no, it's not because I'm embarrassed in front of artsy FUDGE playes.  I'm embarrassed by much of the artwork, which is juvenile in nature, and makes my in-laws and co-workers look at me funny when they peruse my bookshelves.  I can live with it, but I don't like it.   The flavor of the game is sometimes "over the top," that being said, I've run a 3rd edition Ravenloft campaign, that went pretty well and was decidedly more mature (not being able to detect good/evil and powers checks definitely helped).  I don't mean mature as in NC-17 mature either, I mean mature as in more complex NPC interactions and less "search, destroy and loot."   The rules mechanics do have parts that seem to be aimed at allowing the acting out of juvenile fantasies.  For example; double weapons.  These have always struck me as an adolescent fantasy of "wouldn't it be cool if...", but in reality no one could use these weapons without being more of a danger to themselves than to their foes.  This is easy to fix though, just disallow double weapons.  Most of these mechanical problems can be overcome with house rules, which almost every gaming group adopts. The problem with well-defined skill resolution (which was needed) is that it has the unintended consequence that too many players use skill rolls in lieu of actual role playing.  The reason this was less of a problem 20 years ago, was not only because we didn't have the well-defined rules, but also because most of us came to the game from a steady diet of fantasy fiction, where there weren't any hard and fast mechanics.  Now many younger players come to the game with a background less in reading and more from playing computer and console RPG's that already have those mechanics built into them.  In order to "win" a CRPG, you have to min/max and take advantage of all the defined rules (and only those rules) because the rules are inherent to the computer simulation.   Don't get me wrong, I think that DnD is great.  It's my favorite pastime and I'll be running a DnD 7th edition game in the Shady Hills retirement community.  I just want to have a DnD that's perhaps a little more like reality and has artwork that isn't so comic book silly.  (please no flames, I love comics too, and being the proud owner of a number of Frank Miller Daredevils, I know very well that comics can be mature and complex too.)</blockquote>

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