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<blockquote data-quote="Jackinthegreen" data-source="post: 6082211" data-attributes="member: 6678119"><p>The fact that it's mentioned means that it's assumed to work for his particular situation, thus we should work on the assumption that it does work regardless of whether we think it does or not, with the caveat that it might not work for all situations. Gestalt is open-ended enough that it's really up to the DM on how to do things, but due to some oddities I go into below it's probably not a good idea to use monster classes with LA in the progression.</p><p></p><p>To the OP: Are you using fractional BAB and/or saves? If you're not familiar with those rules, it's basically saying that BAB is either 1/2 per level for poor progression, 3/4 per level for medium, and 1 per for good. For saves it's 2+ 1/2 per level for good saves and 1/3 per level for bad ones. Using fractionals tends to work much better with gestalt because you don't have to worry about a situation like whether fighter 1/sorcerer 19//wizard 20 gets full BAB because sorcerer and wizard both have 1/2 per level.</p><p></p><p>If you are using fractionals, your saves at 5th will be F4/R4/W4, and BAB would be +5, but at 6th you'd only get the good progression on R and W thanks to bard, so your saves would be F4+5/6/R5/W5. The fort save is like that because you had 4+1/2 at 5th level, but since your 6th had a +1/3 it becomes 4+1/2+1/3 which is 4+5/6. Likewise, since bards are +3/4 your BAB would become 5+3/4 at 6th level. At 7th level you'd get your full +1/2 on saves, so they'd be F5+1/3 / R5+1/2 / W 5+1/2. Your BAB would go up by 1 and become 6+3/4. At 8th you'd get +1/3 on F and +1/2 on R and W saves again, so they'd become F5+2/3 / R6 / W6, and your BAB would be up 3/4 again for 7+1/2.</p><p></p><p>If you aren't using the fractional system, at 6th you would still have +1 Ref and Will for F4/R5/W5 from bard. Depending on how one interprets the rules your BAB would either go from 5 to 6 since Bard gets +1 that level, or you'd go down to +4. The assumption would be the former of course, but figuring out what happens past that is making my head spin so I won't do it.</p><p></p><p>Suffice to say that if you're going to use a monster progression class with LA on one side, you are far better off using the fractional system because it makes things simpler and saves on headaches.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jackinthegreen, post: 6082211, member: 6678119"] The fact that it's mentioned means that it's assumed to work for his particular situation, thus we should work on the assumption that it does work regardless of whether we think it does or not, with the caveat that it might not work for all situations. Gestalt is open-ended enough that it's really up to the DM on how to do things, but due to some oddities I go into below it's probably not a good idea to use monster classes with LA in the progression. To the OP: Are you using fractional BAB and/or saves? If you're not familiar with those rules, it's basically saying that BAB is either 1/2 per level for poor progression, 3/4 per level for medium, and 1 per for good. For saves it's 2+ 1/2 per level for good saves and 1/3 per level for bad ones. Using fractionals tends to work much better with gestalt because you don't have to worry about a situation like whether fighter 1/sorcerer 19//wizard 20 gets full BAB because sorcerer and wizard both have 1/2 per level. If you are using fractionals, your saves at 5th will be F4/R4/W4, and BAB would be +5, but at 6th you'd only get the good progression on R and W thanks to bard, so your saves would be F4+5/6/R5/W5. The fort save is like that because you had 4+1/2 at 5th level, but since your 6th had a +1/3 it becomes 4+1/2+1/3 which is 4+5/6. Likewise, since bards are +3/4 your BAB would become 5+3/4 at 6th level. At 7th level you'd get your full +1/2 on saves, so they'd be F5+1/3 / R5+1/2 / W 5+1/2. Your BAB would go up by 1 and become 6+3/4. At 8th you'd get +1/3 on F and +1/2 on R and W saves again, so they'd become F5+2/3 / R6 / W6, and your BAB would be up 3/4 again for 7+1/2. If you aren't using the fractional system, at 6th you would still have +1 Ref and Will for F4/R5/W5 from bard. Depending on how one interprets the rules your BAB would either go from 5 to 6 since Bard gets +1 that level, or you'd go down to +4. The assumption would be the former of course, but figuring out what happens past that is making my head spin so I won't do it. Suffice to say that if you're going to use a monster progression class with LA on one side, you are far better off using the fractional system because it makes things simpler and saves on headaches. [/QUOTE]
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