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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Halivar" data-source="post: 1583665" data-attributes="member: 9327">Not quite. One very compelling strength of gestalt classes is getting spellcasters into armor without losing a spell-caster level. A complete non-issue with clerics. In addition, remember that one character can't fight and buff at the same sime. Also, the cleric adds two more prime stats that the fighter previously didn't have to worry about. He has to be good at one and poor at the other. This is what ends up balancing most, if not all, gestalt builds (except fighter-barbarian... that would be nasty).    MASD? I haven't heard that one. What does it mean? I assume you're tackling the very issue I mentioned above (multiple prime stats). This is a very good counter. Part of me wants to say the challenge of spreading 6 4d6-drop-the-lowest stats across four or five prime stats is part of the fun of gestalt'ing.    I think this will hurt non-min/max'ers more than min/max'ers. An accomplished min/max'er (yours truly) can cheese out a twenty-level progression in fifteen minutes, if called upon to do so... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>