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<blockquote data-quote="XCorvis" data-source="post: 3176383" data-attributes="member: 1265"><p>Sure. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>The first thing I noticed was that it was actually <em>much harder</em> to do it this way, because you have to do a lot of subtraction and look at the difference between the current level and previous level. I'm actually not even sure I did it right because it was very confusing, so maybe you could check my work. (I also usually use the rule that you only get the +2 bonus for a good save once, not once for every new class, but I didn't use that with the method you described.)</p><p></p><p>1. Wiz1/War1 BAB +0, Fort +0, Ref +0, Will +2</p><p>2. Wiz2/War2 (simple incrementing)</p><p>3. Wiz3/War3 ...</p><p>4. Wiz4/War4 ...</p><p>5. Wiz5/War5 BAB +3, Fort +1, Ref +1, Will +4</p><p>6. Ult1/War6 BAB +4, Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +6</p><p>7. Swd1/Ult2 BAB +5, Fort +2, Ref +4, Will +8</p><p>8. Swd2/Ult3 BAB +6, Fort +3, Ref +5, Will +9</p><p>9. Ult4/War7 BAB +7, Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +10</p><p>10. Swd3/Ult5 BAB +8, Fort +3, Ref +5, Will +10</p><p></p><p>Compare that to my original version, which I consider "correct": BAB: +7, Fort +3, Ref +5, Will +7. Will is much higher because of multiclassing, BAB is slightly too high because of clever (or lucky) positioning of classes.</p><p></p><p>Here's the Wizard-Fighter/Wizard-Sorcerer build, using the "better of two values" method.</p><p></p><p>1 Wiz1/Ftr1 BAB +1 Fort +2 Ref +0 Will +2</p><p>2 Wiz2/Sor1 BAB +2 Fort +2 Ref +0 Will +5</p><p>3 Wiz3/Sor2 BAB +3 Fort +3 Ref +1 Will +5</p><p>4 Wiz4/Sor3 BAB +4 Fort +3 Ref +1 Will +6</p><p>...</p><p>20 Wiz20/Sor19 BAB +20 Fort +8 Ref +6 Will +14 (and caster levels of 20 and 19, respectively).</p><p></p><p>Compare that to my calculation of BAB +10, Fort +8, Ref +6, Will +12. Major difference in BAB. Obviously someone with 19 levels of Wizard-Sorcerer and one level of Wizard-Fighter shouldn't have a BAB higher than a regular Wiz19/Ftr1.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="XCorvis, post: 3176383, member: 1265"] Sure. :) The first thing I noticed was that it was actually [i]much harder[/i] to do it this way, because you have to do a lot of subtraction and look at the difference between the current level and previous level. I'm actually not even sure I did it right because it was very confusing, so maybe you could check my work. (I also usually use the rule that you only get the +2 bonus for a good save once, not once for every new class, but I didn't use that with the method you described.) 1. Wiz1/War1 BAB +0, Fort +0, Ref +0, Will +2 2. Wiz2/War2 (simple incrementing) 3. Wiz3/War3 ... 4. Wiz4/War4 ... 5. Wiz5/War5 BAB +3, Fort +1, Ref +1, Will +4 6. Ult1/War6 BAB +4, Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +6 7. Swd1/Ult2 BAB +5, Fort +2, Ref +4, Will +8 8. Swd2/Ult3 BAB +6, Fort +3, Ref +5, Will +9 9. Ult4/War7 BAB +7, Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +10 10. Swd3/Ult5 BAB +8, Fort +3, Ref +5, Will +10 Compare that to my original version, which I consider "correct": BAB: +7, Fort +3, Ref +5, Will +7. Will is much higher because of multiclassing, BAB is slightly too high because of clever (or lucky) positioning of classes. Here's the Wizard-Fighter/Wizard-Sorcerer build, using the "better of two values" method. 1 Wiz1/Ftr1 BAB +1 Fort +2 Ref +0 Will +2 2 Wiz2/Sor1 BAB +2 Fort +2 Ref +0 Will +5 3 Wiz3/Sor2 BAB +3 Fort +3 Ref +1 Will +5 4 Wiz4/Sor3 BAB +4 Fort +3 Ref +1 Will +6 ... 20 Wiz20/Sor19 BAB +20 Fort +8 Ref +6 Will +14 (and caster levels of 20 and 19, respectively). Compare that to my calculation of BAB +10, Fort +8, Ref +6, Will +12. Major difference in BAB. Obviously someone with 19 levels of Wizard-Sorcerer and one level of Wizard-Fighter shouldn't have a BAB higher than a regular Wiz19/Ftr1. [/QUOTE]
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