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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5761286" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>Multiclass penalty: There is no guidance on this by RAW. I'd say run it the same as you would normally. Some hate the penalty and don't use it at all. For those that do...gestalt should make heavy multiclassing on either side unnecessary, I'd have no sympathy and apply the 20% penalty even if only 1 side of the gestalt character had uneven levels.</p><p></p><p>You definitely do not have to keep your levels across the gestalt divide even, though. A Fighter 10 / Barbarian 10 // Wizard 20 is absolutely fine, only uneven levels within the same side of the gestalt should count. And as usual, prestige classes don't hurt you there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Combo feats: I agree with you, the feats often have side benefits other than just the level stacking (Song of the White Raven lets you Inspire Courage as a swift action and Swift Hunter lets you deal skirmish damage to crit immune foes if they're a favored enemy, for examples of these "side benefits"), so I allow them in gestalt games. They are also still allowed by RAW, for that matter.</p><p></p><p>Now, I definitely would restrict their stacking at least such that your effective class level cannot exceed your total hit dice. From there, if you want to ban the level stacking aspect completely or allow it to plug in holes is up to you. In my last gestalt game, I strictly limited the PCs to one base class on each side and a single prestige class (which, if it required spellcasting or certain class features other than proficiencies, had to be taken on the side w/ the class that met those requirements), so I was fine with plugging in gaps since the multiclassing wouldn't be getting out of line. For example, one of my players was a Crusader//Bard with the Song of the White Raven feat (inspire as a swift, as above, and also level stacks bard and crusader levels for effective bard level in regards to inspire courage bonus). He eventually went into the Warchanter PrC on the Bard side, so the SotWR feat meant his Crusader levels were keeping him at "full Bard level" for Inspire Courage despite Warchanter not advancing it. Now...Warchanter requires Inspire Courage and I find it dumb the PrC doesn't advance it and probably would've houseruled to allow it to anyway....but didn't even need to, the PC was already covered through the feat.</p><p>If you're allowing unlimited multiclassing, you may want to just not allow the level stacking benefits of those feats at all.</p><p></p><p>A level 20 build: I'll make one using my interpretations of the gestalt rules if you want, but I think I've explained it in detail already.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5761286, member: 35909"] Multiclass penalty: There is no guidance on this by RAW. I'd say run it the same as you would normally. Some hate the penalty and don't use it at all. For those that do...gestalt should make heavy multiclassing on either side unnecessary, I'd have no sympathy and apply the 20% penalty even if only 1 side of the gestalt character had uneven levels. You definitely do not have to keep your levels across the gestalt divide even, though. A Fighter 10 / Barbarian 10 // Wizard 20 is absolutely fine, only uneven levels within the same side of the gestalt should count. And as usual, prestige classes don't hurt you there. Combo feats: I agree with you, the feats often have side benefits other than just the level stacking (Song of the White Raven lets you Inspire Courage as a swift action and Swift Hunter lets you deal skirmish damage to crit immune foes if they're a favored enemy, for examples of these "side benefits"), so I allow them in gestalt games. They are also still allowed by RAW, for that matter. Now, I definitely would restrict their stacking at least such that your effective class level cannot exceed your total hit dice. From there, if you want to ban the level stacking aspect completely or allow it to plug in holes is up to you. In my last gestalt game, I strictly limited the PCs to one base class on each side and a single prestige class (which, if it required spellcasting or certain class features other than proficiencies, had to be taken on the side w/ the class that met those requirements), so I was fine with plugging in gaps since the multiclassing wouldn't be getting out of line. For example, one of my players was a Crusader//Bard with the Song of the White Raven feat (inspire as a swift, as above, and also level stacks bard and crusader levels for effective bard level in regards to inspire courage bonus). He eventually went into the Warchanter PrC on the Bard side, so the SotWR feat meant his Crusader levels were keeping him at "full Bard level" for Inspire Courage despite Warchanter not advancing it. Now...Warchanter requires Inspire Courage and I find it dumb the PrC doesn't advance it and probably would've houseruled to allow it to anyway....but didn't even need to, the PC was already covered through the feat. If you're allowing unlimited multiclassing, you may want to just not allow the level stacking benefits of those feats at all. A level 20 build: I'll make one using my interpretations of the gestalt rules if you want, but I think I've explained it in detail already. [/QUOTE]
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