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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 4199612" data-attributes="member: 29252"><p>Let's see....</p><p></p><p>1) Depends on how well your players optimize. The Druid//ninja will do very well at 5+ with the extreme case of SAD. Full Spellcasting, Wis to AC, swift-action invisibility, and a little Sudden Strike. With all class abilities based off of Wisdom, this character will only be very slightly behind a "normal" gestalt, and reasonably ahead of a standard non-gestalt character. If your players tend towards MAD (Paladin//wizard) or classes with a lot of overlap (Ranger//fighter) it's only a mild boost over a standard character.</p><p>a) Yes and no. Traditional Power Classes won't go on the second side if your party is optimizing, unless they're used for utility only - you are unlikely to get a Fighter//wizard, unless the Fighter is only interested in utility spells and minor buffs. You're more likely to get a Sorcerer//paladin, a Druid//monk, a Cleric//fighter, and so on - cases where the second class offers class features that complement the primary in some way (Paladin's Divine Grace and Lay on of Hands complements a Sorcerer's Charisma score very well; a Monk's Wis to AC while unarmored complements the Druid's armor restriction and Wisdom casting stat very well; the Fighter's bonus feats help out a combat cleric, et cetera).</p><p>b) It'll get rid of certain types of cheese, but not all of them.</p><p></p><p>2) Someone who is optimizing won't be splitting their feats between the two classes. They'll be focusing on their main class, and using the other for abilities that complement their main class well. </p><p></p><p>3) Very strong: Druid/ninja, Druid/monk, Druid/swordsage, Cleric/swordsage; very weak: Fighter/Barbarian.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 4199612, member: 29252"] Let's see.... 1) Depends on how well your players optimize. The Druid//ninja will do very well at 5+ with the extreme case of SAD. Full Spellcasting, Wis to AC, swift-action invisibility, and a little Sudden Strike. With all class abilities based off of Wisdom, this character will only be very slightly behind a "normal" gestalt, and reasonably ahead of a standard non-gestalt character. If your players tend towards MAD (Paladin//wizard) or classes with a lot of overlap (Ranger//fighter) it's only a mild boost over a standard character. a) Yes and no. Traditional Power Classes won't go on the second side if your party is optimizing, unless they're used for utility only - you are unlikely to get a Fighter//wizard, unless the Fighter is only interested in utility spells and minor buffs. You're more likely to get a Sorcerer//paladin, a Druid//monk, a Cleric//fighter, and so on - cases where the second class offers class features that complement the primary in some way (Paladin's Divine Grace and Lay on of Hands complements a Sorcerer's Charisma score very well; a Monk's Wis to AC while unarmored complements the Druid's armor restriction and Wisdom casting stat very well; the Fighter's bonus feats help out a combat cleric, et cetera). b) It'll get rid of certain types of cheese, but not all of them. 2) Someone who is optimizing won't be splitting their feats between the two classes. They'll be focusing on their main class, and using the other for abilities that complement their main class well. 3) Very strong: Druid/ninja, Druid/monk, Druid/swordsage, Cleric/swordsage; very weak: Fighter/Barbarian. [/QUOTE]
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