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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4202297" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>This all sounds nice, but I think you're getting something confused. You can be very big for sized unarmed damage. You can have great dex. You can have pounce. You can have huge str to make up for your mediocre BAB (which is the same monk BAB people always say they can't hit with, the "flurry of misses"). But, aside from maybe some broken splatbook (I place MM's 2-x in this category), there is NO form that will give you all of these things at the same time. Now then, you could pounce in a form with 3+ natural weapons AND flurry. However, until monk 9, you'd take penalties for flurry, all the natural attacks would be secondary, suffering a further -5 to hit and doing only half str damage... it sounds scarier than it really is, IMHO. And what are all these passive abilities a monk gets based on wisdom? Only one I can think of after AC is stunning fist, which is only once per round and targets most monsters' best save. And would have a gimped DC with the secondary's level progression. If the druid/monk gimps str and dex, his pre-wildshape levels will be rough, and it'll be tough to qualify for some melee feats, possibly. It IS a great combo, though. Druid/Monk was always a favorite of mine in normal gestalt, and it loses little here. Thanks for mentioning.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Until those interfere with your quickened spells and such...</p><p></p><p></p><p>I know that feat, it's amazingly awesome. It's like Imp. Toughness, only repeatable! Except if you're caster is secondary, you won't be high enough CL to qualify for a fair while.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ark: I know normally they are, I'm saying they probably should e excluded for this, cause then it's even more enticing to go mage/non-mage and get some nice, mithral twilight armor. Just a thought.</p><p></p><p>Nifft: Why wouldn't the PP stack? It'd be like wiz/cleric. You'd have lots of spells per day, but each "side" is tracked separately for each class. Yes, a psion/wilder would have lots of PP, but he'd have to use each pool for each powers known list, no combining. This is probably more powerful than combining with a non-casting class, but the secondary ends up with the casting ability of a mystic theurge, which everyone's always telling me is underpowered, so I don't see the problem. Horrible action synergy, for one thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4202297, member: 35909"] This all sounds nice, but I think you're getting something confused. You can be very big for sized unarmed damage. You can have great dex. You can have pounce. You can have huge str to make up for your mediocre BAB (which is the same monk BAB people always say they can't hit with, the "flurry of misses"). But, aside from maybe some broken splatbook (I place MM's 2-x in this category), there is NO form that will give you all of these things at the same time. Now then, you could pounce in a form with 3+ natural weapons AND flurry. However, until monk 9, you'd take penalties for flurry, all the natural attacks would be secondary, suffering a further -5 to hit and doing only half str damage... it sounds scarier than it really is, IMHO. And what are all these passive abilities a monk gets based on wisdom? Only one I can think of after AC is stunning fist, which is only once per round and targets most monsters' best save. And would have a gimped DC with the secondary's level progression. If the druid/monk gimps str and dex, his pre-wildshape levels will be rough, and it'll be tough to qualify for some melee feats, possibly. It IS a great combo, though. Druid/Monk was always a favorite of mine in normal gestalt, and it loses little here. Thanks for mentioning. Until those interfere with your quickened spells and such... I know that feat, it's amazingly awesome. It's like Imp. Toughness, only repeatable! Except if you're caster is secondary, you won't be high enough CL to qualify for a fair while. Ark: I know normally they are, I'm saying they probably should e excluded for this, cause then it's even more enticing to go mage/non-mage and get some nice, mithral twilight armor. Just a thought. Nifft: Why wouldn't the PP stack? It'd be like wiz/cleric. You'd have lots of spells per day, but each "side" is tracked separately for each class. Yes, a psion/wilder would have lots of PP, but he'd have to use each pool for each powers known list, no combining. This is probably more powerful than combining with a non-casting class, but the secondary ends up with the casting ability of a mystic theurge, which everyone's always telling me is underpowered, so I don't see the problem. Horrible action synergy, for one thing. [/QUOTE]
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