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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 3160403" data-attributes="member: 111">Tahnee and sirwmholder, you are doing a great job of illustrating why it is somtimes better to just state the rule without examples.  This whole thread is a great exa,mple of why rules whould only be stated in one place, with no uneedded repitition.Focusing on the example instead of the rule can lead one down the wrong path.Re-stating rules when not needed can lead to oversights and errors.Bottom line:1.  Break Enchantment works on enchantments, transumatations and curses.2.  It even works on them if they are instantaneous effects.3.  It even works on cursed items.4.  If there is no save to a spell, then the spell must be fifth level or lower for Break Enchantment to work.5.  It cannot remove curse from items, but can lift the cursed effect temporarily so one can remove the item from one's person and no longer be cursed by the item.6.  It works using a caster level check (1d20 + caster level, maximum +15) against a DC of 11 + caster level of the effect, with cusrd magic items having a fixed DC of 25.That's it  Nothing more, nothing less.  It's very, very clear.If you take the two PHB example as being anything more than illustrative examples, then you are adding in rules where none exist.  They are only examples.  They do not say anything about how the spell does or does not work.</blockquote>