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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3160438" data-attributes="member: 3929">I think you’re forgetting that Break Enchantment also works on Enchantments and Transmutations that aren’t Duration: Instantaneous. The spell name works fine, and there are plenty of spells it counters, so to say Break Enchantment is useless because it doesn’t fix Feeblemind isn’t a terribly robust argument. Not that you’ve used that argument, but I believe I did run over a post using that argument somewhere upthread.Look at the relevant texts of both spells:Break Enchantment:Feeblemind:A lot of people have been saying that the list in Feeblemind is merely permissive, and not exclusive. This is not the case.Feeblemind: If not [Unless] X, then Y.X is the set of spells [heal, limited wish, miracle, wish].Y is the Feebleminded state.The only spells that are heal, limited wish, miracle and wish are heal, limited wish, miracle and wish. This list is indeed exclusive of other spells. No other spells will result in “not Y”; no other spells will cure the victim (except, of course "works as" spells, like Mass Heal).But what about the apparent contradiction with Break Enchantment? It says, “Break enchantment can reverse even an instantaneous effect.” Can it? Sure. Does it mean that it must reverse an instantaneous effect? No. Because it can does not mean that it necessarily will. I can jump out of open windows. This does not mean that every time I encounter a window I will jump out of it.So between the two, Feeblemind is specific and exclusive, Break Enchantment generalizes and is permissive. So I believe the RAW to be that Break Enchantment is ineffective in curing the Feebleminded state.---That being the case, however, a look through the SRD came up with exactly zero targeted Enchantments or Transmutations below 5th level that are instantaneous [Artoomis has since found some, but they are rather useless as spells you’d want to counter]; as Bestow Curse is Duration: Permanent, it doesn’t provide any either. This leaves some possibilities: those writing the Break Enchantment description either wanted it to be able to cure Feeblemind, or they wanted it to be able to affect any future spells that were Duration: Instantaneous, or both. Artoomis mentioned that the only explanation for “can break instantaneous effects” was Feeblemind; leaving the spell open to countering future spells is also a possible reason, and perfectly plausible. However, the dearth of Duration: Instantaneous spells Break Enchantment can cure in the PHB is strong enough support for me to House Rule that Break Enchantment cures Feeblemind, but I do believe the RAW to be otherwise.After all, Feeblemind hoses Wizards and Sorcerers more than anyone else; there is an incredible incentive to research an equivalent-level spell that defeats Feeblemind. This is a compelling argument. The PHB text is:Bestow Curse cannot be dispelled by Dispel Magic by virtue of the fact that it says: “The curse bestowed by this spell cannot be dispelled, but it can be removed with a break enchantment, limited wish, miracle, remove curse, or wish spell.” [PHB, p 203] So any time you run into a spell that says, “Cannot be dispelled”, Break Enchantment may be able to remove the effect, as long as the spell is 5th level or lower.---So, I would see two options to this spell were I ruling it.First, rule with Thanee, Feeblemind is unaffected by Break Enchantment, but Break Enchantment can cure Duration: Instantaneous effects higher than 5th level because that clause in the spell description refers to spells that specifically have a “can’t be dispelled” clause, like Bestow Curse.Or, rule with Artoomis, Feeblemind is cured by [/i]Break Enchantment[/i] on the grounds that it is one of the only 5th level or lower Duration: Instantaneous Enchantments or Transmutations that can’t be dispelled [and can’t be dispelled because of Dispel Magic’s inability to affect Duration: Instantaneous spells], and so the Break Enchantment clause allowing it to affect Instantaneous spells becomes useless. With this ruling, Break Enchantment would not be able to reverse Flesh to Stone because that spell cannot be affected by Dispel Magic, and is 6th level.Because the PHB description specifically mentions Flesh to Stone, I would hesitate to rule as Artoomis, and would likely rule as Thanee.But then, I might allow Break Enchantment to work, just out of spite for the amount of time I sat here writing this. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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