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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 3162077" data-attributes="member: 111"><p>First, if the list was so carefully redudant to list both Wish and Limited Wish, it should have also listed Mass Heal to be truly complete, if its intent was to be a full and complete list and exclude break Enchatment. That's pretty strong evidence of an oversight.</p><p></p><p>Second, the lists of "specific removal requirement" are, in fact, a list of things that can work and do not prohibit other possible solutions, <strong><em>if they are otherwise valid</em></strong>.</p><p></p><p>For example, let's make up a new spell.</p><p></p><p><u>William's Uncontrollable Tapping Finger.</u></p><p><u></u></p><p><u>Level: Brd 1, Sor/Wiz 2 </u></p><p><u>Components: V, S, </u></p><p><u>Casting Time: 1 standard action </u></p><p><u>Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) </u></p><p><u>Target: One creature; see text </u></p><p><u>Duration: Ten minutes per level</u></p><p><u>Saving Throw: Will negates </u></p><p><u>Spell Resistance: Yes </u></p><p><u></u></p><p><u>This spell afflicts the subject with uncontrollable urge to tap a finger on whatever surface is handy. The game effect is that spell casters require two hands be used for casting spells with somatic components, since one hand is forced to make motions that are not part of any somatic gesture. </u></p><p><u></u></p><p><u>The effect remains until a "William's Cease Tapping" spell is used upon the victim.</u></p><p></p><p>Note that this spell did not explicity exclude the otherwise-valid remedy of "Dispel Magic." Therefore, Dispel Magic works because it works on all permanent spells of this spell level unless otherwise prohibited.</p><p></p><p>Note also the the effect also ends when the spell duration ends, which is another remedy (the passage of time).</p><p></p><p>One cannot assume an "until" clause is totally compete to the point that it excludes all other valid remedies.</p><p></p><p>I submit that my example is poorly worded (just as with Feeblemind) in that I should have specifically addresed by the spell duration running out and Dispel Magic in the "until" clause.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 3162077, member: 111"] First, if the list was so carefully redudant to list both Wish and Limited Wish, it should have also listed Mass Heal to be truly complete, if its intent was to be a full and complete list and exclude break Enchatment. That's pretty strong evidence of an oversight. Second, the lists of "specific removal requirement" are, in fact, a list of things that can work and do not prohibit other possible solutions, [b][i]if they are otherwise valid[/i][/b][i][/i]. For example, let's make up a new spell. [u]William's Uncontrollable Tapping Finger. Level: Brd 1, Sor/Wiz 2 Components: V, S, Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Target: One creature; see text Duration: Ten minutes per level Saving Throw: Will negates Spell Resistance: Yes This spell afflicts the subject with uncontrollable urge to tap a finger on whatever surface is handy. The game effect is that spell casters require two hands be used for casting spells with somatic components, since one hand is forced to make motions that are not part of any somatic gesture. The effect remains until a "William's Cease Tapping" spell is used upon the victim.[/u] Note that this spell did not explicity exclude the otherwise-valid remedy of "Dispel Magic." Therefore, Dispel Magic works because it works on all permanent spells of this spell level unless otherwise prohibited. Note also the the effect also ends when the spell duration ends, which is another remedy (the passage of time). One cannot assume an "until" clause is totally compete to the point that it excludes all other valid remedies. I submit that my example is poorly worded (just as with Feeblemind) in that I should have specifically addresed by the spell duration running out and Dispel Magic in the "until" clause. [/QUOTE]
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