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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 3162305" data-attributes="member: 111"><p>That, of course, is assuming that the list is actually and truly complete and not, in error, incomplete. If so, neither Mass Heal nor Panacea can work, either.</p><p></p><p>Mass Heal and Panacea are both indeed otherwise valid remedies, but made to be invalid choices by not being on "the list." The list does NOT allow for Mass Heal or for any future spell, not matter how that spell happens to be worded, because the spell is simply not on the list. It does not matter if the spell states it can "cure" Feeblemind or not, it's not on the list of those than can. This is the inevitable result of Felix's logic chain.</p><p></p><p>If that's the path you want to go down, then indeed Break Enchament will not work, of course, neither will Mass Heal, Panacea or any other possible future spell, no matter what the designer's might be unless they also issue errata for Feeblemind.</p><p></p><p>It is unavoidable that the list simply is not complete, unless you prohibit Mass Heal and Panacea. If you allow those (and I think there is no argument there), then the ONLY question is to what degree the list is incomplete.</p><p></p><p>On that question there can be at least a couple of answers. </p><p></p><p>At this point I move from facts to opinion:</p><p></p><p>I personally feel the best approach is to take the two seemingly contradictory interpretations (Break Enchantment can't work because it is not on the list and Break Enchantment can work because Feeblmind is a instantaneous enchanment) and see if there is a rules interpretation that makes it all work together. </p><p></p><p>If so, it seems to me like that would be the better choice.</p><p></p><p>Indeed there is such an interpretation: Simply accept that the list is not a truly complete list. We know that's factually true anyway (to at least some degree, see above), so just allow Break Enchantment to be addded to "the list " by virtue of the Break Enchantment's spell descirption and all is right with the world. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 3162305, member: 111"] That, of course, is assuming that the list is actually and truly complete and not, in error, incomplete. If so, neither Mass Heal nor Panacea can work, either. Mass Heal and Panacea are both indeed otherwise valid remedies, but made to be invalid choices by not being on "the list." The list does NOT allow for Mass Heal or for any future spell, not matter how that spell happens to be worded, because the spell is simply not on the list. It does not matter if the spell states it can "cure" Feeblemind or not, it's not on the list of those than can. This is the inevitable result of Felix's logic chain. If that's the path you want to go down, then indeed Break Enchament will not work, of course, neither will Mass Heal, Panacea or any other possible future spell, no matter what the designer's might be unless they also issue errata for Feeblemind. It is unavoidable that the list simply is not complete, unless you prohibit Mass Heal and Panacea. If you allow those (and I think there is no argument there), then the ONLY question is to what degree the list is incomplete. On that question there can be at least a couple of answers. At this point I move from facts to opinion: I personally feel the best approach is to take the two seemingly contradictory interpretations (Break Enchantment can't work because it is not on the list and Break Enchantment can work because Feeblmind is a instantaneous enchanment) and see if there is a rules interpretation that makes it all work together. If so, it seems to me like that would be the better choice. Indeed there is such an interpretation: Simply accept that the list is not a truly complete list. We know that's factually true anyway (to at least some degree, see above), so just allow Break Enchantment to be addded to "the list " by virtue of the Break Enchantment's spell descirption and all is right with the world. :) [/QUOTE]
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