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<blockquote data-quote="Mephistopheles" data-source="post: 3162606" data-attributes="member: 4460"><p>The <em>Break Enchantment</em> spell states "This spell frees victims from enchantments, transmutations, and curses".</p><p></p><p><em>Bestow Curse</em> states "You place a curse on the subject" and also "The curse bestowed by this spell cannot be dispelled, but it can be removed with a <em>break enchantment</em>, <em>limited wish</em>, <em>miracle</em>, <em>remove curse</em>, or <em>wish</em> spell".</p><p></p><p>The <em>Heal</em> spell states "It immediately ends any and all of the following adverse conditions affecting the Target: ... feebleminded ...".</p><p></p><p>(As a quick aside, <em>Mass Heal</em> states "This spell functions like <em>heal</em>", so by reference <em>Mass Heal</em> establishes that it is a remedy for <em>Feeblemind</em>.)</p><p></p><p>The <em>Feeblemind</em> spell states "The subject remains in this state until a <em>heal</em> ... spell is used to cancel the effect".</p><p></p><p>Now I'll bring this into context with the current debate. While <em>Break Enchantment</em> establishes that it can remove curses <em>Bestow Curse</em> still specifies <em>Break Enchantment</em> as a specific remedy even though it is redundant to do so. Similarly while <em>Heal</em> establishes that it can remove a <em>feeblemind</em> effect the <em>Feeblemind</em> spell description still specifies <em>Heal</em> as a remedy even though it is redundant to do so.</p><p></p><p>Along similar lines the FAQ states "A <em>feeblemind</em> effect remains until the subject receives a <em>heal</em>, <em>limited wish</em>, <em>miracle</em>, or <em>wish</em> spell".</p><p></p><p>Based on the above it seems reasonable to infer that if <em>Break Enchantment</em> was intended to remedy a <em>feeblemind</em> effect then it would be listed as a remedy in the <em>Feeblemind</em> spell.</p><p></p><p>In any case allowing <em>Break Enchantment</em> to remedy a <em>feeblemind</em> effect does not seem terribly unbalancing. The remedy list in the <em>Feeblemind</em> spell lists spells that are 6th level and above as guaranteed remedies, while the success of the 5th level (for non-hybrid casters) spell <em>Break Enchantment</em> in removing a <em>feeblemind</em> effect would be dependent on a caster level check and not guaranteed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mephistopheles, post: 3162606, member: 4460"] The [i]Break Enchantment[/i] spell states "This spell frees victims from enchantments, transmutations, and curses". [i]Bestow Curse[/i] states "You place a curse on the subject" and also "The curse bestowed by this spell cannot be dispelled, but it can be removed with a [i]break enchantment[/i], [i]limited wish[/i], [i]miracle[/i], [i]remove curse[/i], or [i]wish[/i] spell". The [i]Heal[/i] spell states "It immediately ends any and all of the following adverse conditions affecting the Target: ... feebleminded ...". (As a quick aside, [i]Mass Heal[/i] states "This spell functions like [i]heal[/i]", so by reference [i]Mass Heal[/i] establishes that it is a remedy for [i]Feeblemind[/i].) The [i]Feeblemind[/i] spell states "The subject remains in this state until a [i]heal[/i] ... spell is used to cancel the effect". Now I'll bring this into context with the current debate. While [i]Break Enchantment[/i] establishes that it can remove curses [i]Bestow Curse[/i] still specifies [i]Break Enchantment[/i] as a specific remedy even though it is redundant to do so. Similarly while [i]Heal[/i] establishes that it can remove a [i]feeblemind[/i] effect the [i]Feeblemind[/i] spell description still specifies [i]Heal[/i] as a remedy even though it is redundant to do so. Along similar lines the FAQ states "A [i]feeblemind[/i] effect remains until the subject receives a [i]heal[/i], [i]limited wish[/i], [i]miracle[/i], or [i]wish[/i] spell". Based on the above it seems reasonable to infer that if [i]Break Enchantment[/i] was intended to remedy a [i]feeblemind[/i] effect then it would be listed as a remedy in the [i]Feeblemind[/i] spell. In any case allowing [i]Break Enchantment[/i] to remedy a [i]feeblemind[/i] effect does not seem terribly unbalancing. The remedy list in the [i]Feeblemind[/i] spell lists spells that are 6th level and above as guaranteed remedies, while the success of the 5th level (for non-hybrid casters) spell [i]Break Enchantment[/i] in removing a [i]feeblemind[/i] effect would be dependent on a caster level check and not guaranteed. [/QUOTE]
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