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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3163850" data-attributes="member: 2011">Actually, the word is "until" (I probably miswrote it earlier).This is where you and I seem to disagree on a wide variety of DND subjects.To me, until means until. To you, until means "until for example".I call this "literal versus liberal" reading of RAW.You and I disagree so often on these boards because you add meaning to words and phrases that are not explicitly stated. I do not. One example is the "successful hit" in the Trip with a Weapon discussion. To me, a hit is a hit. A hit is not a successful touch attack roll, that is a successful touch attack roll.I use the words as written, I do not prescribe additional and unlikely meaning to them.And this is why you and I will continue to disagree on RAW. I will continue to take the narrow most likely meaning of words and you will continue to take the broad whatever possible meaning of words.Sorry, but until means until (i.e. up to the time that). Remains means remains.The subject remains in this state "up to the time that" a heal, limited wish, miracle, or wish spell is used to cancel the effect of the feeblemind.</blockquote>