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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3163996" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Well, first off, Reverse Gravity explicitly allows flying creatures to ignore the effect. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>But, in answer to your question, it depends on reasonableness.</p><p></p><p>If it is reasonable to Dimension Door out of a Reverse Gravity, then that is an external valid event. Reverse Gravity does not really change anything except the direction of gravity, so spell effects that can ignore gravity should be able to work and the spell effect itself gives examples.</p><p></p><p></p><p>When given an <strong>explicit</strong> list of spells that will end the instantaneous effect, what is reasonable? 1) Any spell that explicitly states that it ends that effect is reasonable. 2) Any spell on the list is reasonable.</p><p></p><p>Any other spell is not reasonable precisely because the list exists.</p><p></p><p>A player could say "Feeblemind is worse than Bestow Curse in power and it does not even do ability damage or drain, hence, it is a curse and Remove Curse can remove it". That is also not reasonable because Remove Curse is not on the list (nor is Feeblemind stated as a curse, even though for all intents and purposes it is).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Is it reasonable for a good night's sleep to get rid of Feeblemind? No because that is not a solution on the list either.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The reason that Fly or Dimension Door can be reasonable for Reverse Gravity is because Reverse Gravity does not give a concise list of solutions (like Feeblemind). It instead states the typical solution (spell expiring) shy of other <strong>unnamed</strong> solutions resolving it.</p><p></p><p>Feeblemind does not do that. It states specific named spell solutions that are very difficult to acquire and very limited in number. This implies that other solutions will not work and it implies that only spell solutions will work based solely on how it is worded.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's all about reasonableness and where one draws the line. Is it reasonable for Break Enchantment to kill a creature that had previously been reincarnated?</p><p></p><p>Is it reasonable for Feeblemind to be listing an exclusive list? I think yes. You think no.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3163996, member: 2011"] Well, first off, Reverse Gravity explicitly allows flying creatures to ignore the effect. ;) But, in answer to your question, it depends on reasonableness. If it is reasonable to Dimension Door out of a Reverse Gravity, then that is an external valid event. Reverse Gravity does not really change anything except the direction of gravity, so spell effects that can ignore gravity should be able to work and the spell effect itself gives examples. When given an [b]explicit[/b] list of spells that will end the instantaneous effect, what is reasonable? 1) Any spell that explicitly states that it ends that effect is reasonable. 2) Any spell on the list is reasonable. Any other spell is not reasonable precisely because the list exists. A player could say "Feeblemind is worse than Bestow Curse in power and it does not even do ability damage or drain, hence, it is a curse and Remove Curse can remove it". That is also not reasonable because Remove Curse is not on the list (nor is Feeblemind stated as a curse, even though for all intents and purposes it is). Is it reasonable for a good night's sleep to get rid of Feeblemind? No because that is not a solution on the list either. The reason that Fly or Dimension Door can be reasonable for Reverse Gravity is because Reverse Gravity does not give a concise list of solutions (like Feeblemind). It instead states the typical solution (spell expiring) shy of other [b]unnamed[/b] solutions resolving it. Feeblemind does not do that. It states specific named spell solutions that are very difficult to acquire and very limited in number. This implies that other solutions will not work and it implies that only spell solutions will work based solely on how it is worded. It's all about reasonableness and where one draws the line. Is it reasonable for Break Enchantment to kill a creature that had previously been reincarnated? Is it reasonable for Feeblemind to be listing an exclusive list? I think yes. You think no. [/QUOTE]
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