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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3166226" data-attributes="member: 141"><p>Just for the sake of conciseness, let's pretend that the text <em>feeblemind</em> said that it could only be reversed by <em>heal</em>. We'd read it with the understanding that anything that could duplicate <em>heal</em> would also work- and that means <em>miracle</em>, <em>wish</em> and (using the adept list) <em>limited wish</em>. I'm saying this so that I don't have to keep typing the names of those four spells over and over again.</p><p></p><p>Then when <em>feeblemind</em> says "can only be reversed by <em>heal</em>" it is specifying two categories of spells; spells that can reverse <em>feeblemind</em> and spells that cannot reverse <em>feeblemind</em>. The first list is very short; it only contains <em>heal</em> (and the spells that can duplicate <em>heal</em>). The second list is quite long; it includes everything else, and includes <em>break enchantment</em>.</p><p></p><p>The first list is quite specific; it gives the spells by name. The second list (implicitly defined as the spells not on the first list) isn't. It is less specific than the text of <em>break enchantment</em> that says that the spell can reverse a 5th level instantaneous enchantment. So if you are saying that the most specific rule takes precedence, then you have to say it is <em>break enchantment</em> that applies.</p><p></p><p>Maybe the example of 20 questions will help illustrate what I am saying about specificity. What would require fewer questions to correctly guess?</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">This spell is not <em>heal</em>, nor can it duplicate <em>heal</em>.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">This spell is a 5th level instantaneous enchantment.</li> </ol><p>I hope it is obvious that 2 is a more specific description than 1. So the part of <em>feeblemind</em> that says that <em>break enchantment</em> doesn't work is much less specific than the part of <em>break enchantment</em> that says it does. If your criterion is that the more specific rule takes precedence, you have to say that <em>break enchantment</em> works.</p><p></p><p>I would also argue that even if both spells were equally specific, the defensive/curative spell would take precedence. But that's not the case; the defensive/curative spell is the more specific spell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 3166226, member: 141"] Just for the sake of conciseness, let's pretend that the text [i]feeblemind[/i] said that it could only be reversed by [i]heal[/i]. We'd read it with the understanding that anything that could duplicate [i]heal[/i] would also work- and that means [i]miracle[/i], [i]wish[/i] and (using the adept list) [i]limited wish[/i]. I'm saying this so that I don't have to keep typing the names of those four spells over and over again. Then when [i]feeblemind[/i] says "can only be reversed by [i]heal[/i]" it is specifying two categories of spells; spells that can reverse [i]feeblemind[/i] and spells that cannot reverse [i]feeblemind[/i]. The first list is very short; it only contains [i]heal[/i] (and the spells that can duplicate [i]heal[/i]). The second list is quite long; it includes everything else, and includes [i]break enchantment[/i]. The first list is quite specific; it gives the spells by name. The second list (implicitly defined as the spells not on the first list) isn't. It is less specific than the text of [i]break enchantment[/i] that says that the spell can reverse a 5th level instantaneous enchantment. So if you are saying that the most specific rule takes precedence, then you have to say it is [i]break enchantment[/i] that applies. Maybe the example of 20 questions will help illustrate what I am saying about specificity. What would require fewer questions to correctly guess? [list=1][*]This spell is not [i]heal[/i], nor can it duplicate [i]heal[/i]. [*]This spell is a 5th level instantaneous enchantment. [/list] I hope it is obvious that 2 is a more specific description than 1. So the part of [i]feeblemind[/i] that says that [i]break enchantment[/i] doesn't work is much less specific than the part of [i]break enchantment[/i] that says it does. If your criterion is that the more specific rule takes precedence, you have to say that [i]break enchantment[/i] works. I would also argue that even if both spells were equally specific, the defensive/curative spell would take precedence. But that's not the case; the defensive/curative spell is the more specific spell. [/QUOTE]
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